Must Have Songs

I'm not talking your favorite songs to listen to but songs that you can't call yourself a real beatmaker until you've chopped. Not your hidden gems but ones that you'd consider rites of passage.

every thing i buy i will sample or chop, i just dont finish it or dont release it , to many haters on old breaks and how there used so only personal friends hear it . youknow what i mean

i know what you mean but are there any songs that someone HAS to fool with before they can say they know about making a beat

You HAVE to chop a certain song to call yourself a producer? Why would that ever be the case?

that's not what i'm saying. what i mean is as practice - a rite of passage - so to speak. what are some classic songs. for exapmle in a recent scratch magazine, 9th wonder mentioned a certain song as a "must do" for a budding producer. Another example is somewhere on the forums someone posted a primo interview where he gave 20 albums that are you have to have some awareness of if you are to truly understand hip hop, like the cannon of boom-bap. So i'm asking if there are any songs in particular that you consider special in terms of working with in order to get that foundation for production. For example, I would consider "Apache" one.

for a big time producer to say something like that is wack,

especially nowadays, you dont need to have certain albums to call your self a producer,there just messin with young kids heads , startiin fads.

if that was true then you think BAM,and cats that produced in those days were like you need this record to produce; i dont think so.

back then it was was like who had the fresshest break. they were breakin out the breaks ,diggin them out they even cover'd the label so you couldnt see what it was,

for premo to say that he's got to be trippin, he's got to be puttin on a show to the person that interview'd him ,
there's nothing that say's OH!,oH!,OH! ,you need to have this chic record to call yourself a producer you have to chop this beat and arrange it to your style, sorry but thats bull what makes a producer, is his or her creativity&originality and how they use the sample and program the beats around it .

if there is such a scripture show it to me. and who wrote it if it's any of these clown producers of today then it dont mean shizzz cause it's not back'd by the founders of this culture

CREDIT IS DUE
DJ Premier's Essential 20 Hip-Hop Albums

“You have to own these records,” DJ Premier insists. “These are lessons in life from the hip-hop world. If you own these records, you will get it. You own these, and you are the man. It's a big deal to have these records in your collection, because then you won't never **** up the way you make your joints. A lot of people don't know how to make hot joints right now. Stuff out there is being classified as hip-hop, but it ain't — it's something else. To be pure hip-hop, it can't be that happy-dappy ****. It's got to get you in the soul, man.”

Although he'd no doubt add more titles to this elite roster, here's a short and selected list of DJ Premier's essential hip-hop LPs produced by seminal figures such as Marley Marl, Scott La Rock and the Bomb Squad and featuring rappers from Chuck D. and Eric B. to Q-Tip and Kool Keith. Gotta have the classics, son.

Beastie Boys, Licensed to Ill (Def Jam, 1986)

Boogie Down Productions, Criminal Minded (Sugar Hill, 1987)
Brand Nubian, One for All (Elektra/Asylum, 1990)
D.O.C., No One Can Do It Better (Ruthless, 1989)
Eazy E, Eazy-Duz-It (Priority, 1988)
EPMD, Strictly Business (Priority, 1988)
Eric B & Rakim, Paid in Full (4th & Broadway, 1987)
Ice Cube, AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority, 1990)
Jungle Brothers, Straight out the Jungle (Warlock, 1988)
LL Cool J, Radio (Def Jam, 1985)
MC Lyte, Lyte As a Rock (Atlantic, 1988)
NWA, Straight Outta Compton (Priority, 1988)
Public Enemy, Yo! Bum Rush the Show (Def Jam, 1987)
Run-DMC, Run-DMC (Def Jam, Profile/Arista, 1984)
Slick Rick, The Great Adventures of Slick Rick (Def Jam, 1988)
Special Ed, Youngest in Charge (Profile, 1989)
Stetsasonic, In Full Gear (Tommy Boy, 1988)
Super Lover Cee and Casanova Rud, Girls I Got 'Em Locked (Elektra, 1988)
A Tribe Called Quest, The Low End Theory (Jive, 1991)
Ultramagnetic MCs, Critical Beatdown (Next Plateau, 1988)

See he say's "lesson's" That's what i'm getting at - what are the classic records to learn from?

then i didnt understand you correctly i thought you wereaskin for albums to use to produce music like to sample from, when you said "Apache"
thers nothing sampled on that song that has been sampled to make other music but, yeah these songs he list are albums listen to to get the idea or how real hiphop is made correct, i have most of those albums.

i thought you were say's you needed certain breaks in your collection,
"Apache" is a break you can use that to sample or chop sounds from .
i wouldnt use any of these albums he mentioned to sample from just to see how they sampled a break.

i dont think you understood correctly.

in a sense that's what i am saying like you know how apache was flipped for 'made you look' and everything else so the challenge would be to take a well known break, intro, etc. and freak it a new way. That's what i'm getting at - the classic samples and breaks - for history and practice. even though i did say "you can't call yourself a beatmaker until you flipped..." i didn't mean it in a literal sense - just my way of speaking. my bad, so do you have any?

Basically what you're asking people to do is tell you what records have breaks and shit on them.

Go dig.

Evil D said if he could figure out a new way to flip NAUTILUS he would... try that one, i think its been murdered though... get creative!

theres tons of info on here homie just in this forum theres alot to research on basiclly.

i aint tryin to be an ass but do a search for breaks
or check this site out www.the-breaks.com type in the artist you want and it will give you all the breaks

it's funny how cats see i got a low post count and automatically come at me sideways. i'm not asking you about where the best "secret" breaks are. I'm not asking you what breaks you've used or where you got them. I'm asking what you, YOU think is classic. What have YOU flipped that's been done a thousand times before but one day said "**** it just for practice..." The same way i can say you don't necessarily have to like Illmatic but you can't say you know hip hop if you don't know that album's place in hip hop's history.

in aint try to come at you no way i'm just try to tell you to search on here plenty of cats drop knowledge on breaks
look for post by mpc400xl,itchy, ctoons,strykes,and many others they be droppin knowledge on this stuff.. as far as me flippin breaks i dont produce like most cats do , i like my sound to sound 80's style so i dont really flip and chop, but when i do i dont remix tunes i cant get myself to do that ,dont go by what other producers say there just tryin to get you no be creative ,


just be creative and flip a break as you can.
i use many records that i use to sample snippets from i take drums from one hats from another andsnares from another as far as loops i try to chopobscure stuff and sometimes a classic but i dont do a remix of another track.

dj e.d.e. i wasn't refering to you in particular but i've noticed that on this board cats always bring the sacarsm first, almost as if coming up with sly insults is some how evidence of their musical creative abilities. honestly i think we coming from two different sides of the same coin. i realize the beauty of coming cross a wonderful sample (trust me, i dig) but as i'm personally trying to improve my skills in working a sample, i figured a good way to go about it would be to hunt down some samples that have been overused to the point of being "cliches" and doing my damnest to make them fresh - again not anything to be heard by anyone but something to practice.