Does the mpc 4000 groove like mpc3k, and mpc2k? - Please help

I'm french so excuse my english.
I'd like to say that there's a difference when you transfer a program from the 2kxl to the 4k=>the velocity curve isn't the same between the mpc's so it may cause small differences, but with the 1.40 O.S. if you configure the curve in the window PROGRAM on LOG, it will disepear.[/color]

I cant speak on the "groove" on the mpc's (yet, im buying a mpc4000!) but I can speak on groove on different computers. I made a track back in 1995 on a Casio FZ-1 Sampler and Amiga 500 for the sequencer (yeah im not kidding). We went to the studio to record the track and the engineers wanted to slave the Amiga to the ADAT using the ADAT MASTER CONTROLLER (I forgot its real name). We said "sure" and they hooked it all up. Then they hit play on the adat controller and the amiga started instantly. What we ALL could hear though (including the engineers), was that the groove instantly had died but the song sounded the same anyway in a wierd way, only without the groove. We were kinda surprised so we unhooked the adat controller from the amiga500 letting it run as master by itself again and the groove was back!! We ended up recording it that way.

I do hope the mpc4000 "grooves" aswell

Kristus[/color]

MPC 60 feels stiffer to me. I actually think the 4000 has a better groove feel to it. Maybe though its more appropriate to say it has better control over your "groove" - quantize.[/color]

williamlavelle wrote:..... the whole point of all this equipment is to emulate the real thing as much as possible......

I have to respectfully disagree. In most instances of hip-hop an MPC may not sound anything like a live band. The robotic feel of an MPC is what makes it hypnotic. I think loops should be loops, and people understand what I mean, even if you never really thought about it. It only sounds human at all because it was sequenced by a unique user. The funny thing is, is that a lot of bands are starting to get into the "loop" feel in their music, so in many ways live music is moving much closer toward the sequencer sound than vice versa. A great example would be a Linkin Park type band, but most R&B is created using sequencers for drums nowadays as well. I personally love live bands, but hip-hop has traditionaly NOT had a live band feel. Traditionally it has been looped and sample based.  :cool:[/color]

hello everybody
i just wanted to say how glad i am to be able to participate on this wonderful forum now. i hope i can learn a lot from you guys who are working with the dream machine (mpc4k) i own for three days now and one day be able to share relevant knowldege too.
i am located in vienna and i make synthie elektro pop style stuff which you might probably hate, but anyway. i´d like to say that after wasting YEARS of trying to make any decent rocking tracks on cubase and the likes i felt the strong urge for a completely new approach or i would lose my dedication. i have never worked on any other mpc before so the change is big but i do get ahead with the unit surprisingly well (except for the hooking up with my pc laptop). i have now hooked up all my old synths to it and play my jupiters and beats BY HAND and the only thing i can say is that this machine rocks more than anything else i´ve ever played with concerning electronic instruments. i`m confident that i have indeed found what i was looking for and i have to admit that yesterday i got horny just by making music on this monster which has´nt happened to me in a long time. it rocks full stop. plus i have to add that i read a post from someone on this forum claiming that the 4k does´nt have good bottom end compared to i don´t know what and i just wanted to say that this must be a joke. i compared it with my old e64 which has just about any bottom end you could ever wish for and at 24/96 settings there was no audible difference so it`s down there with the best in this department too. i love this machine. i love the concept, the wonderful old school display and the sound. i will never ever go back to software sequencing again. peace and respect to all of you. :p[/color]

Yo Poly, cool to have you on the board using the good machine. I have a question for you, You said you are doing Electro Synth Pop? Like 80's style? I been down with that stuff since day one and you know now it's getting a following again. Let us know where we can hear your joints alright. I'm a hiphop producer but I been messin with some 80 styles on the MPC 4000 and it's fat for that style as well. The beats are basicaly hip-hop speed,  tuned up to about 120 + bpm and you kind get a Miami bass style booty shake, fun for everybody, no????.  lol [/color]

IT seems that people confuse the timing of the machines with the sound of the machine. Groove is not just a timing issue but a sound issue. MPC's 60, 3000, and 2000s are known for their rock solid timing. Computers timing are looser because they weren't specifically designed for sequencing, their processors were designed to do a whole bunch of everything.

The 3000 and 60 has less high end digital distortion than the 2000 which keep the samples smooth sounding at loud levels. This is what gives the bass drums their impact on the machines. You can play a pattern with one kit and play the same pattern on a different kit and the music will groove differently, because drummers not only have to pay attention to their timing but their dynamics and were to hit the drums.

Also what might change the timing on the 3000 is the fact that they had no waveform editing. They had to trim samples by ear and a lot of 3000 kits hit very late. (hint hint)

Very interesting info Just in the archives.