MPC 4000 voice question

Dramatix04 wrote:hmmm I've had the 4K 1 day and I know how to solve the OP's problem. He is looking for the program to be monophonic, that is the correct terminology.

You didn't read past the first post did you?

Dramatix04 wrote:Program --> Misc --> Polyphonic Notes --> 1

done.

This is what you'll be wanting to limit/increase polyphony per program. While there isn't an actual mono/poly program setting this gives you the same functionality but with more options concerning polyphony.

Lampdog wrote:Yeah, I've never used mute groups, so I wouldn't know about that just yet. Sorry.

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Drumatix04-

Thanks for the reply. You are the first to solve my quandary from my original post. Mike Boogie's suggestion to use mute groups solved my problem. However you just uncovered the result I was originally asking for...i.e.: turning the program polyphony to 1 in program--> misc. THat's what I was looking for! However, I now think mute groups is a slightly more elegant way of doing it...but time'll tell.

I am glad you also questioned the salty comments from the so called expert members that chose to chime in on this post. Especially the one who claimed that I was using the incorrect terminology. Perhaps he only ever used the mpc4k, because I was using broader sampler terminology. Anyway, as with all internet forums, you take the good with the bad, and also like the majority of internet forums...the people lurking around forums throwing salty and useless comments around are salty because they spend too much time on the internet and not enough time making music. Oh, I think I hear their mom yelling at them to clean their room...but they'll be back soon to tell me I was using the wrong terminology and that I am frustrating them...

Lampdog wrote:
Yeah, I've never used mute groups, so I wouldn't know about that just yet. Sorry.


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Lampdog...You should check out of this forum permanently... you're comments are useless and misguided and yet you claim to be an expert. Try spending more time making beats, less time barking at lamps (they are inanimate objects you know)

@lampdog... I thought you were just kiddin'... Surprised you don't know about mute groups. Anyway, not into this playground stuff... no offense meant or intended

I find mute groups pretty useful for some types of stuff.

No prob. First time back here in like 6 yrs. heh.

You know what I just realized from this post though? For me, note off is a better way to do this. Sometimes I'll have four pads sampled from a record, and I want those pads to act monophonically with each other - but I'll have drum sounds from that record on that same PGM, which I'll want to polyphonically overlap the pads.

Instead of copying that PGM and using it on the next track to sequence drums, I can just use mute groups. Silly I never thought of this.

Side note - Mute groups or monophonic PGMS can really tighten up your beats and make mixing easier in the long run - I do mostly 4X4 dance stuff, so I find I can get really good decay/release enveloping if most of my drums cut each other off (aside from kick and snare). Its a great way to get a really good vibe going between hi hats and kick drum, similar to sidechain compression. Use overly long open hats, for example, which are then cut off by the kick, or other 16th note syncopated percussion, etc.

My ONE SERIOUS question, only been with the 4K for a day, is - Why can I not assign a blank pad to a mute group??!! This is HUGELY important for me, to close an open hi hat without triggering a closed hi hat. I'm sure there's a work around, like assigning a sample to a pad, and turning the level down, but still! If anyone knows anything, holler.

Edit - and yeah, its really dope how you can control the exact polyphony amount for each program

Only time I use mute groups is if I have my samples and my drums on one pgm. in which case samples go group one and hi hats for open and closed go 2, other than that all my programs stay in monophonic. I chop way to much not to, mute group were really a thing of the past by the time the made the 4k, in older models you could have certain pads cut each other off but couldn't turn a whole program from mono to poly so I believe mute groups was added to help that, then they upgraded o.s's over the years and you could switch from mono to poly and have multiple programs playing, but left mute groups there for the previous model users.

DR.NOlan wrote:Lampdog...You should check out of this forum permanently... you're comments are useless and misguided and yet you claim to be an expert. Try spending more time making beats, less time barking at lamps (they are inanimate objects you know)

Lampdog is a valued member of this little forum and actively helps out newer users on a regular basis as a lot of the core users do.

How about instead of insulting someone who took time out of their day to help you, you acknowledge it and thank them even if it wasn't quite what you were looking for.

Lets be honest even if Lampdog didn't quite answer your question his posts are infinitely more "useful" than yours are.