I'm Embarrassed....(MPC 4000 Filters)

@ Maze... the voweliser can help make your synth talk. If you are tring to get it to talk like a human your are sadly mistaken that is not the point. Think more Peter Frampton style("Do you feel like we do") aging myself here...where he made his guitar talk and sort of say "do you feel like we do." The harmonics are similar to what we use to talk.

THe voice is the most incredible instrument. Trying to get a synth to talk well with just harmonics and processing is the holy grail. It has never been done very well. However you can get the basics...OOOOO, EEEEH, AHHHH, EEEE-AAAHHH.

IT was put in the MPC for a reason. Use the right sample and you could get something interesting. The problem is that some other machines really rock this now. Though they don't sound human. Also vocoders give you the same kind of sound.

So voweliser is not for the faint of heart. You probably would nevver use it in hiphop...unless you were trying to do the old school "wikky, wikky , wikky" sound from Nucleus. Again I age myself.

You can modulate this and get your vocalist to go from "Ah aaaaah" to "ah AAAH ah"

Cheers,
Ian

PS sounds like we need a video on this...lol

Ian Canefire wrote:@ Maze... the voweliser can help make your synth talk. If you are tring to get it to talk like a human your are sadly mistaken that is not the point. Think more Peter Frampton style("Do you feel like we do") aging myself here...where he made his guitar talk and sort of say "do you feel like we do." The harmonics are similar to what we use to talk.

THe voice is the most incredible instrument. Trying to get a synth to talk well with just harmonics and processing is the holy grail. It has never been done very well. However you can get the basics...OOOOO, EEEEH, AHHHH, EEEE-AAAHHH.

IT was put in the MPC for a reason. Use the right sample and you could get something interesting. The problem is that some other machines really rock this now. Though they don't sound human. Also vocoders give you the same kind of sound.

So voweliser is not for the faint of heart. You probably would nevver use it in hiphop...unless you were trying to do the old school "wikky, wikky , wikky" sound from Nucleus. Again I age myself.

Cheers,
Ian

I know what it is. Dude said wovelizer though.

@ Maze...cool...Thought he was trying to be funny...Peace.

rogue scrunt wrote:

flowdesigner wrote:I would be embarrassed if I praised the sound result of the wovelizer filter

yeah well you're an idiot

the formant filter is not implemented on the 4000

idiot

the vowelizer is just the 2pole lopas with resonance flat.

Ian Canefire wrote:you can get the basics...OOOOO, EEEEH, AHHHH, EEEE-AAAHHH.

yes, with the peak and notch and triple filters and eqs

@ Flow...interesting. Now I have to actually go and try to use it. I wrote everything above based on the ak.sys manual and my usage of other vocal tools. Reading the manual it described the voweliser similarly to the VC2 card in the roland VSynth and that is what I use as a vocoder and for messing with my band vocalists vocals. The formant control is on the Vsynth as well.

Just yesterday I was using the different filters on her vocals in the MPC and I was able to get the shifts in pitch and to focus in on harmonics with the NOTCHes (Cutoff and Resonance). I didn't get all the way down the list to the voweliser.

Now I have to experiment tonight and see if what you say is true.

Cheers,
Ian

a 'voweliser' or a formant filter is just a filter / eq with multiple peaks.

you can get a very similar 'talking' affect by stacking two filters and operating them independently. or even a filter and a sample rate reduction / bitcrusher (think skrillex)

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar01/a ... nthsec.asp

@Flowdesigner...you are correct. I tried using the voweliser and it doesn't have any kind of word/voice/vowel making ability. lol.

I took a snippet of a vocal sample and quickly realized it is non functioning.
Thanks for the knowledge.

Cheers,
Ian