I got this from the roland website
AD Conversion 24 bits, 64times oversampling
DA Conversion 24 bits, 128times oversampling
Data Format 16 bits (linear)
Sampling Rate 44.1 kHz (fixed)
What does it mean??? THe internal processing is 16 bit,,, does that mean the mixing???
If it is, you will notice a decline in the tightness of the sound comparing to the MPC4000.
By MPC_Producer
Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:22 am
No you won't. This is a different machine made years after the bug ridden MPC4000. During the short week I have owned this unit I have tried a number of experiments with it. I'm loading more samples tonight, and I have already used enough of them so that I need more than the standard 128 MB memory. Let's just say that this gear earned its permanent place in my studio. A recommendation I have for you is don't sit there and read specs. They look fine on paper but mean nothing when you consider people are still using the SP-1200, MPC60, and MPC3000. Go try an MV for yourself.
By MPC_Producer
Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:02 am
Not yet anyway. It remains to be seen if that feature will be added. But much more is in store for the MV. Version 2.0 of the software is in development now. The current version is 1.10. Hopefully, 2.0 will be announced at NAMM.
By Mohammed
Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:21 am
MPC_Producer wrote:No you won't. This is a different machine made years after the bug ridden MPC4000. During the short week I have owned this unit I have tried a number of experiments with it. I'm loading more samples tonight, and I have already used enough of them so that I need more than the standard 128 MB memory. Let's just say that this gear earned its permanent place in my studio. A recommendation I have for you is don't sit there and read specs. They look fine on paper but mean nothing when you consider people are still using the SP-1200, MPC60, and MPC3000. Go try an MV for yourself.
Maybe the sound will be tight when you mix the MV on a SSL mixing console, but when doing all stuff in the MV,,,, 16 bits wont do,,,, keeping in mind that logic has 32bit.
BTW:
How are the fx??? Do they use the boss fx?? I hope so, i love the boss se50
By Mohammed
Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:23 am
Oh and another question...
Can the memory be upgraded with standard sims??? Or are they one of those expensive ones????
How does the MV sound in comparison to the MPC??? The type of sound,, the color...
You got me hyped up, the **** up os update, realy changed my mind about buying the mpc4000. Ill only buy the MPC when the price drops,, as for now i would be a dumbass for buying an MPC with my sallery, when the MV is only 2/3 of the price.
Can the memory be upgraded with standard sims??? Or are they one of those expensive ones????
How does the MV sound in comparison to the MPC??? The type of sound,, the color...
You got me hyped up, the **** up os update, realy changed my mind about buying the mpc4000. Ill only buy the MPC when the price drops,, as for now i would be a dumbass for buying an MPC with my sallery, when the MV is only 2/3 of the price.
By misterv
Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:36 pm
hey Mohammed,
how much are the MV 8000 and the MPC 4000 in Amsterdam ?
here in France, the cheapest prices I know of are 2330€ for the MV 8000 and 2389€ for the MPC 4000....
how much are the MV 8000 and the MPC 4000 in Amsterdam ?
here in France, the cheapest prices I know of are 2330€ for the MV 8000 and 2389€ for the MPC 4000....
By MPC_Producer
Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:38 pm
As far as I know the MV uses standard memory modules. I received the unit only a week ago, so I have not had time to research memory choices. This weekend I will check into it.
Sound comparison between the MV-8000 and MPC4000 would be very subjective. The two machines definitely sound different. I would not describe one as better than the other. A special note...MPC owners who like the old models, lo-fi, and the SP-1200 will love the effects and instruments on the MV. The machine excels at creating a clean lo-fi sound. One of the instruments (as Roland calls them) is named "MV-1200". This is Roland's equivalent of the SP-1200, a group of drum samples loaded and modified to sound like the E-MU.
Sound comparison between the MV-8000 and MPC4000 would be very subjective. The two machines definitely sound different. I would not describe one as better than the other. A special note...MPC owners who like the old models, lo-fi, and the SP-1200 will love the effects and instruments on the MV. The machine excels at creating a clean lo-fi sound. One of the instruments (as Roland calls them) is named "MV-1200". This is Roland's equivalent of the SP-1200, a group of drum samples loaded and modified to sound like the E-MU.
By Mohammed
Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:01 pm
misterv wrote:hey Mohammed,
how much are the MV 8000 and the MPC 4000 in Amsterdam ?
here in France, the cheapest prices I know of are 2330€ for the MV 8000 and 2389€ for the MPC 4000....
The MPC4000 is 2899 and the MV8000 is 2299. So the MPC is a lot more expensive in Holland. I expect the price to drop very soon.
By triplegreen
Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:43 pm
Yo mohammed what do you mean logic is 32 bits? Logic like the other Big three software companies has preliminary support and is able to process up to 32bit 192khz files. In adobe auditon you can convert your files to 32 bit for faster processing. But I can't and nobody in the forum for that matter can list even three 32bit sound cards. Motu and Protools don't even have one yet. 
By Mohammed
Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:17 pm
The 32bit floating point in logic and other software, is the bitrate of the mixing of the samples. So you might load 12bit samples and use a 16bit soundblasterm but still the internal mixing is 32bit.
The internal mixing in the MPC or any other hardware tool, doesnt rely on the 32 bit floating point.
Some poeple here have protools or a big mixing console next to there mpc, to do the mixing. If so,,, thats dope. But if not, you might not get the resolution like mixing in logic.
The internal mixing in the MPC or any other hardware tool, doesnt rely on the 32 bit floating point.
Some poeple here have protools or a big mixing console next to there mpc, to do the mixing. If so,,, thats dope. But if not, you might not get the resolution like mixing in logic.
By meomyo
Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:45 am
I feel you r being vague on the whole comparison issue....there are a few here really wondering and torn between both units...i mean some of us do not have access to the mv8000 at the store and cannot affored both so please try to get down to the nitty gritty.....and maybe state something definate!!!!!
I may just order 1 try it for 2 weeks and then send it back and get the other for 2 weeks and either send it back or keep it...but man i hate to do this as its a real messup for the stores when one does this ..
Anyhow...i am just asking if you can get way more specific...the only big thing to sway me to the mpc4k is the fact i have 300 akai sample cd roms...and the fact i use an akai dps24 for my daw now so the akaisys is a real plus...but you r correct that the 4k is "old" technology and buggy from the getgo...so it would stand to reason that the mv is new and more advanced in ways over the mpc...but again i have had roland stuff and they can be confusing and they are iffy with their upgrading in some products....but their effects are usually very good(i have owned a vs2480 for 2 yrs before going to the akai dps24)
thank you
I may just order 1 try it for 2 weeks and then send it back and get the other for 2 weeks and either send it back or keep it...but man i hate to do this as its a real messup for the stores when one does this ..
Anyhow...i am just asking if you can get way more specific...the only big thing to sway me to the mpc4k is the fact i have 300 akai sample cd roms...and the fact i use an akai dps24 for my daw now so the akaisys is a real plus...but you r correct that the 4k is "old" technology and buggy from the getgo...so it would stand to reason that the mv is new and more advanced in ways over the mpc...but again i have had roland stuff and they can be confusing and they are iffy with their upgrading in some products....but their effects are usually very good(i have owned a vs2480 for 2 yrs before going to the akai dps24)
thank you
By MPC_Producer
Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:24 am
The MV and the MPC work differently. In many cases comparisons are not possible. For example, the MV uses samples, audio phrases, instruments, partials, SMTs, libraries, songs, and projects. The MPC only has a folder hierarchy with the end result of samples, programs, songs, and multis. It takes a few days to learn how all the parts of the MV work together.
Due to the advanced features in the MV a store demo would only give you a very brief idea of what it is like. You may or may not be able to operate much of it. I have read posts where customers had no trouble finding their way around the MV in the store. My experience would not have been completely the same.
As much as I love the MPC4000, I do not think AKAI will ever fix it or implement everything promised at its announcement. Two years have passed since its release. Market conditions have changed, and AKAI is no shape right now to design and deliver a major product. Time and the patience of MPC4000 owners are running out. Regardless, the MPC4000 will always be in my studio.
Roland has done a fine job this year supporting the V-Synth and Fantom-S with OS dates and making them very solid, stable products. Expect the company to do the same for the MV-8000, which shares the technologies in these synths. The MV should be able to load samples from AKAI format CDs in the near future.
The MV effects are fascinating. For instance...#17 Phono (Phonograph) This effect provides a vinyl sound. The following parameters can be modified:
1. Input Mode (mono/stereo)
2. Frequency Range
3. Signal Distortion
4. Disk Type (LP, EP, SP)
5. Noise Total
6. Scratch
7. Dust
8. Hiss
9. Wow Flutter Total
10. Wow
11. Flutter
12. Random
13. Effect Level
14. Direct Level
Due to the advanced features in the MV a store demo would only give you a very brief idea of what it is like. You may or may not be able to operate much of it. I have read posts where customers had no trouble finding their way around the MV in the store. My experience would not have been completely the same.
As much as I love the MPC4000, I do not think AKAI will ever fix it or implement everything promised at its announcement. Two years have passed since its release. Market conditions have changed, and AKAI is no shape right now to design and deliver a major product. Time and the patience of MPC4000 owners are running out. Regardless, the MPC4000 will always be in my studio.
Roland has done a fine job this year supporting the V-Synth and Fantom-S with OS dates and making them very solid, stable products. Expect the company to do the same for the MV-8000, which shares the technologies in these synths. The MV should be able to load samples from AKAI format CDs in the near future.
The MV effects are fascinating. For instance...#17 Phono (Phonograph) This effect provides a vinyl sound. The following parameters can be modified:
1. Input Mode (mono/stereo)
2. Frequency Range
3. Signal Distortion
4. Disk Type (LP, EP, SP)
5. Noise Total
6. Scratch
7. Dust
8. Hiss
9. Wow Flutter Total
10. Wow
11. Flutter
12. Random
13. Effect Level
14. Direct Level
By meomyo
Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:56 am
i see what u r saying/....
my situation is i want a unit to be used to be a main drumbox and sequencer for my drums. I have the akai dps24 digital recorder and i am looking for a simple easy to use powerfull unit for sequencing all my drum parts and using as somewhat as the midi brain for my motif8 es and supernova2 prox....I am totally new to the whole mpc/mv thing but feel i need a dedicated drum unit with great effects and flexability.
the mv is 1850 the mpc4000 plus is 2599....so i am torn
my situation is i want a unit to be used to be a main drumbox and sequencer for my drums. I have the akai dps24 digital recorder and i am looking for a simple easy to use powerfull unit for sequencing all my drum parts and using as somewhat as the midi brain for my motif8 es and supernova2 prox....I am totally new to the whole mpc/mv thing but feel i need a dedicated drum unit with great effects and flexability.
the mv is 1850 the mpc4000 plus is 2599....so i am torn