Quick double kick shot

I am trying to sequence a nice and bouncy double kick into my hip hop beats at certain spots but it never comes out sounding quite right. How can I get that cool sounding double kick (about a 16th note apart) like Primo and Pete Rock alway do? I've tried swing but still no dice....

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I like to use the 16 levels feature for that, and make the sample the whole drum pad with different levels of the velocity.

and then you can make the second hit slightly less loud than the first one for a better effect on the ear.

note repeat wit swing set at around 56 or u just play wit it but its the note repeat

note repeat wit swing set at around 56 or u just play wit it but its the note repeat

its called off timing........let get it together people. use your inner drum. THE HEART>

I've tried it with the timing off but it's never quite right. Swing has actually gotten me closer but I've programmed with the first kick having a late swing and the second with an earlier swing. Sometimes adjusting the swing amounts ect... I think the velocity has something to do with it. Do you guys ever use a slightly detuned or otherwise modified bass drum to make the hits which are super close to each other sound more like a real drummer? My interest is natural sounding hits and sort of lazy like Jay Dee or Preem even though the drums are samples.

you can try step edit. In the newbie i think the last page there is all the step edit values so u can see where the placement should be. I would lay very basic kick snare pattern in 1/16 then turn the timing off then add the kick in real time over it. so like lay a kick 2 snare 4 pattern
then add it like kick kick snare 4