MPC 4000 with SP 404 Routing question

CharlesRandolph wrote:

cleansocks wrote:no, im curious why I would need that

Because you need an audio interface to track the music to your DAW. If not, you're going to have to do lots of Mickey Mousing around to get your audio into your computer. The MPC 4000 is a beast of a machine, you really need to wrap your head around it, before trying to incorporate other gear.

well I don't use daws and was never planning on tracking it out to a computer for further editing. I simply wanted to use the SP, (which btw i was planning on spending my money on MPC or not cuz I knew about it and wanted it earlier and decided to get it around the same time don't worry about what I buy ) for it's awesome effects and it's unique sound.

I am not sure what you mean by mickey mousing. U mean using the outputs on ur mpc? In any case, the whole idea was being able to sample Phono from record player to MPC, edit sequence add drums, crazy pattern arrangements, timing, etc.

1. 1/2 LR on 8 out To SP 404 Line in

2. SP Line out to MPC Line Input

3. Switch to LINE IN on MPC, Sequence and arrange on MPC (------->) Record to SP and add effects
(------>) Re Record SP version from MPC Line in (----->) Done.


If I can send my samples / programs / sequences / multis to be sent to different outs why wouldnt I just use 8 outs and send it back using Line in? I mean the whole idea was I wanted to create a pattern , send it and re record it in a better FX machine, send it back to edit and add final touches. Saved to USB and exported as .wav file on PC. If i can fix it with a dual quarter to RCA cable why would I need an audio interface to send to my PC? I'm being genuine but I still don't see how that would be ideal.

cleansocks wrote:well I don't use daws and was never planning on tracking it out to a computer for further editing. I simply wanted to use the SP, (which btw i was planning on spending my money on MPC or not cuz I knew about it and wanted it earlier and decided to get it around the same time don't worry about what I buy )

I am not sure what you mean by mickey mousing. U mean using the outputs on ur mpc? In any case, the whole idea was being able to sample Phono from record player to MPC, edit sequence add drums, crazy pattern arrangements, timing, etc.

1. 1/2 LR on 8 out To SP 404 Line in

2. SP Line out to MPC Line Input

3. Switch to LINE IN on MPC, Record SP FX version from SP 404 (------>) MPC Line Input



If I can send my samples / programs / sequences / multis to be sent to different outs why wouldnt I just use 8 outs and send it back using Line in? I mean the whole idea was I wanted to create a pattern , send it and re record it in a better FX machine, send it back to edit and add final touches. Saved to USB and exported as .wav file on PC. If i can fix it with a dual quarter to RCA cable why would I need an audio interface to send to my PC? I'm being genuine but I still don't see how that would be ideal.

Hey, it sounds like you got it handled. Until you need stems.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

cleansocks wrote:well I don't use daws and was never planning on tracking it out to a computer for further editing. I simply wanted to use the SP, (which btw i was planning on spending my money on MPC or not cuz I knew about it and wanted it earlier and decided to get it around the same time don't worry about what I buy )

I am not sure what you mean by mickey mousing. U mean using the outputs on ur mpc? In any case, the whole idea was being able to sample Phono from record player to MPC, edit sequence add drums, crazy pattern arrangements, timing, etc.

1. 1/2 LR on 8 out To SP 404 Line in

2. SP Line out to MPC Line Input

3. Switch to LINE IN on MPC, Record SP FX version from SP 404 (------>) MPC Line Input



If I can send my samples / programs / sequences / multis to be sent to different outs why wouldnt I just use 8 outs and send it back using Line in? I mean the whole idea was I wanted to create a pattern , send it and re record it in a better FX machine, send it back to edit and add final touches. Saved to USB and exported as .wav file on PC. If i can fix it with a dual quarter to RCA cable why would I need an audio interface to send to my PC? I'm being genuine but I still don't see how that would be ideal.

Hey, it sounds like you got it handled. Until you need stems.

Lol doubt it. Didn't mean 2 sound ticked off, I got a little blazed and felt like writing

cleansocks wrote:Lol doubt it. Didn't mean 2 sound ticked off, I got a little blazed and felt like writing

There are tons of options and it's always good to do, what works for you. If the process works for you, a gives you the desired results then do that.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

cleansocks wrote:Lol doubt it. Didn't mean 2 sound ticked off, I got a little blazed and felt like writing

There are tons of options and it's always good to do, what works for you. If the process works for you, a gives you the desired results then do that.

salute. Will update tmrw to see if it works

Hope it works out for you.

Thanks Charles, cockdiesel, and NearTao I followed your suggestions and the analog worked beautifully. I didn’t know how to utilize my 8 outs and just now learned How awesome it is. I can record my SP to my MPC, my Record player to my MPC, and I can record my MPC to my SP to add effects.

Here’s how I set it up if someone from the future happens to run into this same predicament with an SP or a device with similar in / outs.

What you need is a turntable with line in and phono switches (or just phono output tbh) , an 8 out board in your MPC, an SP, an RCA to RCA male cable , and 3 quarter inch to RCA jacks:

8 out 1/2 to SP line in

SP line out to MPC line in

Turntable set to phono, sent to Phono MPC in and ground wire

MPC main out to speakers

I can record whatever on the MPC from SP in record screen when Analog in is set to LINE, sequence and arrange on MPC, then set all parts and programs in MIX to 1/2 or whatever outs you choose and re record into the SP.

if I want to work With more samples I’ll flip the switch in the back of the MPC to phono and sample into MPC from my turntable. From there I can send to SP and vice versa.

This setup is **** awesome and I have your guys’ knowledge to thank For it. I know for a lot of y’all this information is obvious but i know I couldn’t find the exact answer on this forum or YouTube or anywhere so I’m making it crystal clear here for anyone later who owns both Machines and have this specific question.

It’s awesome and it works u just need a lot of cables and an 8 out on ur MPC!!

Yes, the 4000 is.

For the OP or anyone else considering this, you should consider getting a side mixer with this particular setup. Something with at least 12 inputs and 4 BUS. (Aux Send can work as well.)

CONS:
1. You can't sample from the turntable to SP 404 directly
2. You can't use the SP 404 without MPC 4000 been on
3. You can't use the Turntable without MPC 4000 been on
4. You constantly have to switch from Phono to Line on the MPC 4000 to sample
5. No expansion to sample or listen to other sources.

With a mixer this is how you patch it.

INPUT to MIXER:

MPC 4000 to input 1 and 2
SP 404 to input 3 and 4
Turntable to input 5 and 6

OUTPUT of MIXER:

Main out to your monitor
BUS 1 and 2 to MPC 4000 input
BUS 3 and 4 to SP 404 input

Any input routed to Bus 1 & 2 can be sampled into the 4000
Any input routed to Bus 3 & 4 can be sampled into the SP 404

BENEFITS

You can sample the 4000 into the SP 404
You can sample the SP 404 into the 4000
You can sample the Turntable into Both
You can listen to the turntable, 4000, and/or SP 404
No need to patch or switch from phono to line on the MPC.


NOTE:
*If you turntable has phono to line switch, you're good to go. However if the turntable only has phono out, considering get a Small DJ Mixer or Turntable DI or AV receiver.

DI:

J33 - Radial Engineering
BBE FJB-200X Phono Preamp
Behringer Microphono PP400 Phono Preamp
ART DJ PRE II Phono Preamp

cleansocks wrote:Thanks Charles, cockdiesel, and NearTao I followed your suggestions and the analog worked beautifully. I didn’t know how to utilize my 8 outs and just now learned How awesome it is. I can record my SP to my MPC, my Record player to my MPC, and I can record my MPC to my SP to add effects.

Here’s how I set it up if someone from the future happens to run into this same predicament with an SP or a device with similar in / outs.

What you need is a turntable with line in and phono switches (or just phono output tbh) , an 8 out board in your MPC, an SP, an RCA to RCA male cable , and 3 quarter inch to RCA jacks:

8 out 1/2 to SP line in

SP line out to MPC line in

Turntable set to phono, sent to Phono MPC in and ground wire

MPC main out to speakers

I can record whatever on the MPC from SP in record screen when Analog in is set to LINE, sequence and arrange on MPC, then set all parts and programs in MIX to 1/2 or whatever outs you choose and re record into the SP.

if I want to work With more samples I’ll flip the switch in the back of the MPC to phono and sample into MPC from my turntable. From there I can send to SP and vice versa.

This setup is **** awesome and I have your guys’ knowledge to thank For it. I know for a lot of y’all this information is obvious but i know I couldn’t find the exact answer on this forum or YouTube or anywhere so I’m making it crystal clear here for anyone later who owns both Machines and have this specific question.

It’s awesome and it works u just need a lot of cables and an 8 out on ur MPC!!

While I absolutely salute you for both your choice and for your lengthy description... I will also add that a patch bay has some great benefits for being able to change routing on the fly... and can help tame the situation to make it a bit more manageable.

NearTao wrote:While I absolutely salute you for both your choice and for your lengthy description... I will also add that a patch bay has some great benefits for being able to change routing on the fly... and can help tame the situation to make it a bit more manageable.

Yes, patch bays work well, when a person has large amounts of rack gear to route, which is constantly being patch. But for a turntable, mpc 4000, and sp 404 and a couple synths. It's not really needed. A simple 16 x4 desktop mixer will do the trick, plus it gives the user eq's to work with.

Thanks for the suggestions, ultimately a mixer or bay or some kind of area I can send all my sounds to in one place and back would make things much easier but it would be costlier, plus I have filled up every outlet in my room, lol. I'll stick with this cheap solution for now but you are absolutely right it does have its cons but it works as well... Also you can use the SP while MPC is off but only with the sounds onboard and u have to have headphones that plug into PHONES to listen to. Obviously not ideal but I didn't know I'd take up all the power in my room so quick!

Anyways, here is the video highlighting this visually. I sound very tired but its noob friendly

Get a surge protector. More outlets and protection for your gear in case of power surges.

The 404 is great for just listening to music and ripping samples quickly. It’s a good pick. The one feature that goes unnoticed it the manual loop start and end point button. Used to make some wicked loops with that thing.

cleansocks wrote:Thanks for the suggestions, ultimately a mixer or bay or some kind of area I can send all my sounds to in one place and back would make things much easier but it would be costlier, plus I have filled up every outlet in my room, lol. I'll stick with this cheap solution for now but you are absolutely right it does have its cons but it works as well... Also you can use the SP while MPC is off but only with the sounds onboard and u have to have headphones that plug into PHONES to listen to. Obviously not ideal but I didn't know I'd take up all the power in my room so quick!

Anyways, here is the video highlighting this visually. I sound very tired but its noob friendly

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