Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By phunk Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:19 pm
How do we send sequence change message to a computer based sequencer, i tried the "next sequence" page with pad to midi out but when i play the notes back it doesn't trigger the sequences but the notes.
any ideas ?
thanks a lot !
By renegadebliss Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:05 pm
phunk wrote:How do we send sequence change message to a computer based sequencer, i tried the "next sequence" page with pad to midi out but when i play the notes back it doesn't trigger the sequences but the notes.
any ideas ?
thanks a lot !



Hmm...


The "Next Sequence" page is used to pick which MPC 4000 sequence that you want to
play next. It allows one to switch from 1 sequence to another. It's one of EXTREMELY
useful tools that the MPC 4000 has, the ability to switch complete sequences on the fly.
I don't believe that it works on external sequences at all.

It is something that Live4, Logic, Cubase , etc... do NOT have. As far as I can see, those
sequencers are all Linear based sequencers, with NO way to switch sequences. (Same limitations of the MV8000).

You load up "Stairway to Heaven" on Cubase and you play "Stairway to Heaven". I don't know of any way to switch it to "Living on a Prayer" sequence wtihout hitting stop on the
seqencer, then selecting the "Living on a Prayer" sequence Window and then hitting play.
(if there is a ways to switch sequences on the fly on these programs, please let me know).


So with that said, with Cubase/Logic/Live not being able to switch sequences themselves
at all, then hooking the MPC into your setup, is not going to provide this functionality to
these programs.


BUT....

You can do it the other way around.

The MPC 4000 does have a feature that you can select, where you can tell the MPC
4000 to switch IT"s sequence when it recieves a program change.

So for example, you can set Sequence 1 to have Program Change 1 assigned to it.
And you can have Sequence 2 to have Program Change 2 assigned to it.

What this does, is allows you to use Program Changess in you external sequencer program (whether it be live/cubase/logic/mpc2000/rm1x) to change the sequence
on the MPC 4000.

This would allow you to control the sequences of the MPC 4000 from an external sequencer.



Does that make sense? Let me know if you have any questions....


Now there is 1 possible change in the above statement. You CAN use the MPC 4000
to turn on and off different individual midi sequences in Live 4.
As in LIve 4, the Midi sequences
act the same as the Audio loops. Load up your song in LIve 4. On MPC 4000 "MAIN" page, on an empty track, select the Midi Port and Channel that is connected to your
computer.

In Live 4, click on the "Midi Learn" button in the upper right hand corner. Now
select a midi sequence that you want to trigger. Now hit one of the pads
on the MPC 4000. Now select another sequence on Live 4 and hit another pad
on your MPC 4000. Now click the Midi Learn button back off on LIve 4.

Hit Play on Live 4 or MPC which ever is your master.

Now hit the first pad that you had assigned. As you can see it triggered the start of that
sequence on the LIve 4. Now hti the other pad that you selected above. Now both Midi sequences on Live 4 started. You can hit the first pad again to toggle the first sequence off and just leave the second sequence going. The pads willl toggle these on or off.

This is how I am able to use MIdi tracks that are a different lenght then what my MPC 4000 sequence is setup on , until Akai implements the individual track lengths feature.


same steps above can be used to trigger audio or midi clips on LIve. Now Live 4
is so much more userfriendly and playable when hooked up to the MPC :)



Dave
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By Summer2000 Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:17 pm
renegadebliss wrote:
phunk wrote:Now Live 4 is so much more userfriendly and playable when hooked up to the MPC :)
Dave



I wholeheartedly concur!!! :lol:
Live4 and the MPC4K is undoubtedly a powerful combo. I ditched Cubase, Orion, and Sonar as soon as I discovered Live a couple months ago. It's not only easy and intuitive but fun as well while producing. There are times I spend hours just bangin' on the 4K pads and manipulating loops and samples endlessly in Live while discovering new methods on making hot traxx . Now my studio mainly consists of the 4K, Live 4, and Reason 2.5 (soon to be 3).
Can't wait to see what that new OS for the 4K has to offer! :?: :wink: :shock:
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By phunk Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:48 am
"This would allow you to control the sequences of the MPC 4000 from an external sequencer. "

Big thanks renegadebliss that's exactly what i try to do but i can't figure out how to do it, is there a way to send program changes on the fly with the pads ? or do i have to create program changes directly in live or digital performer ?
big thanks again !

By djflash Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:56 pm
i agree,the mpc and ableton rock together 8)

By Altopiano Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:13 pm
yo ... nice to see people use 4k and ableton succesfully together ... i got a very basic question to 4k and ableton ... how to sync those 2 best?

point is: sometimes i session with a friend whichs pc is runnin ableton ... and up til now i m only pissed off with ableton coz
1. his pc crashed quite often ...
2. i for myself dont really need and want to use ableton or any other softseq at the pc ... except for sessioning with people who run ableton or others ... but then it should be their problem how to set it up there ... however my friend doesn't know bout this things and i don't wanna learn ableton for him ...

... so it would just be nice if anyone could tell us how to sync those 2 best if we session in 2 ... up til now i been sending midi clock from 4k to ableton ... that way his pc crashes quite often .... we tried but haven't been able to sync via mtc ... how to do that? ... or would it be better to slave my 4k to ableton? or is ableton crashin itself?

thanx for any help
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By Rob Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:31 pm
I haven't used it for a while, but there's a Sync dialog available in Live where you can control both incoming and outgoing sync settings. All you have to do is set outgoing MIDI clock or MTC.
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By phunk Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:48 am
Originaly the post was about sending program change message guys ! now the request has sunk into Live and sync question, come on !

By Altopiano Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:20 am
thanx rob ... sorry phunk :oops: