mute group problem

Hi there
Following problem! I have a drum loop, which I cut up into slices, and assign each new sample to the same program. Each sample is further assigned to a pad so that I can play on them! I play the new samples as one shot and assign them to the same mute group so that they don’t overlap each other when messin around the pads! That works fine!
Then I copy the whole program - change some settings (cutoff, resonance, …) – and leave the remaining settings the same except mute group! Which I assign to a different one! So I have prog. 1 assigned too mute group 1 and prog 2 to mute group 2!
Now the problem: the samples in prog 2 do not cut each other off as the samples in prog 1! why does this happen? Do I miss something?
And another ques: after cutting the drumloop in slices it should somehow be possible to change the tempo of the sequence with the new created samples (phrases)! Anyone knows how to do this? (I remember this has been a topic in the last weeks here in this forum but I can’t find it)
As usual - any help is much appreciated
cheers
Altopiano

dunno sounds like you're doing everything right.. try creating the program manualy (not copy) and see if the problem still exists.. could be a bug..

the other thing you mention is when you slice a sample and use "create a sequenece" aswell then you can play the sequence back at any tempo, I think this is what your on about..

thanx glide! will try it!
for the 2nd thing (create a seq)! so right? if i i create a seq can I adjust the seg tempo and the slices adjust themselves to the new tempo?
didn't do this cause my seq's created in this way didn't sound smooth! probably i didn't cut the slices exactly! BTW: how do you use the end margins field in the seq slice window! Is it helpful?
cheers
altopiano

it didn't sond smothly maybe as it wasn't a drumloop?

the thing is that the "create sequence" part is really only usefull on rythmatik material and to be more direct mainly drumloops, as each cut/slice you make will be triggerd as a note ..

so if each drum hit has its own slice you should almost always have a perfect loop at any tempo (and you can add swing ect to the notes..

imo I like to use it as an effect for non rythmatik material like vocals ect you can get some messed up cool zhit happening .. kinda thing that rolls insperation for a remix

Hey glide!
I used it for drumloops! Not for vocals, basses or whatever but that sounds very interesting for me too! But waana ffirst perfectionize it for my drumloops cause I play most of my other things (bass, guitar, …) live at the beginning.
The slices of drumloops: I don’t cut them hit per hit but for a whole bar, ½ bar or ¼ bar, …. So I eg. program a simple drumloop myself with BD, SN 1,2 CHH, OHH, … run it through the mixer and sample it back on the mpc! It is now 1 sample which I cut in abovementioned way! And then play them on pads! So sometimes a slice ends fine (if the last hit of it is short, eg a snare) and other times it ends eg. With a OH! And I think that’s the man problem cause it should sound out for a while! But cutting it for the next slice just kills the outsounding part of the OH! So I thought maybe this end margins field could help me doin’ this! So my main quest is:
1. what does this end margins field do and has anyone experience how to use it?
and
2. swing: I still don’t know what it is exactly doin? could u (or anyone) please explain me in brieve what it does? and how u can use it useful? i sometimes tried that function but in the end i never really liked what came out! so maybe some tricks would be great!
3. glide, do you have some mp3s to listen into somewhere? Would be interesting hearin your swingin voices!!!
cheers

I never used the "end margins" .But i can talk for hours about the 'sexy' swing.This feature can add a "human touch" to your programmed drums,for not being extremely quantized.The more amount you set on the swing field,the more off-tempo drums you get.Mostly,i set the 1/16 (3) quantize with 50% swing and then i can scroll a sample forward/backward by my own,so i can get the best sounding result.

I think the "end margins" are a small bit of space you can add to a sound so you can get more accessable controle over decay or smother chops .. dunno actually never use them but I'll cheek it out the next time I'm in the studio, can anyone share some light on the matter?

I don't have an xsample of swinging chopped up voices, but I did do the slice sample "create sequence" with a guitar riff played it at 180bpm, resampled it and timestreched it back to 133 came out quite cool.. mp's coming soon

thanx fellers for your input! glide, no further insights into end margins here but i"ll try to get some clearance bout that too! anyonce"s help is welcome!
swing: dr. thanx for your explanation but i"d like to know what it does really (exactly)? some kind of definition would be great! is there a rule or formula which explains that? maybe someone is able so answer 2 spec. quest:
what does a swing of 50% (quantize eg 1/16)?
what does a swing of 66 %? (quantize eg 1/16)?
alto

The more value increases the "human feeling" on the things you played and they don't stay always in rhythm.

thanx! so 50 % basically doesn"t do anything! no "human feeling"! right?
alto

Yes.Go experiment with different values and you'll choose.Peace