Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
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By Blue Haze Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:32 am
Some might not know it but the UK Akai rep is posting on the 5k forums with info not only on the 5000 but the future and situation of the 4k too. I must stress show patience and be civil cuz this is a rare opportuniy for a direct response with akai and MPC Tutor, and the other moderators want to stress an open, positive communication that will continue in the long run for everybody.


http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=92138

By diegoeskryptic Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:38 am
Just give up that damn OS and nobody gets hurt 8)

By foge1 Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:53 am
nothings gonna happen the 4k is a dead product the only hope we have is someone steals the OS posts it to JJ and hes actually interested.
In other words
ARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!

geoff

By richard Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:04 pm
nym is taking a good attitude to him, polite, patient but hard assed. I think its a good way...

I'm not sure we 4k users can possibly get anything from him, but let's see...

Richard
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By Blue Haze Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:17 pm
richard wrote:nym is taking a good attitude to him, polite, patient but hard assed. I think its a good way...

I'm not sure we 4k users can possibly get anything from him, but let's see...

Richard


I know what you are sayin that will be very helpful especially if he sticks around long enough til after it drops too. We had Sean and some other Akai rep yrs before but they were hounded off the posts :lol: :lol: by the I hate the Akai crowd and left all of us with nothing. On the other hand you got to give him props to be a brave mofo coming on these forums mannnnnnn!!!

But who knows keep trying and maybe he knows someone that know someone to give the 4k users something extra.

By dez perado Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:16 pm
Blue Haze wrote:
richard wrote:nym is taking a good attitude to him, polite, patient but hard assed. I think its a good way...

I'm not sure we 4k users can possibly get anything from him, but let's see...

Richard


I know what you are sayin that will be very helpful especially if he sticks around long enough til after it drops too. We had Sean and some other Akai rep yrs before but they were hounded off the posts :lol: :lol: by the I hate the Akai crowd and left all of us with nothing. On the other hand you got to give him props to be a brave mofo coming on these forums mannnnnnn!!!

But who knows keep trying and maybe he knows someone that know someone to give the 4k users something extra.
Thanks for the bit of hope haze.
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By feline1 Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:59 pm
well I read 9 pages of the thing,
and he just kept saying "the MPC4000 was 'old Akai' and 'obsolete' and 'they couldn't support it' and 'yeah well we know it had better features that the kiddie MPCs we flog these days, but nobody making music ever uses 96/24 anyways lol' etc etc"

I find all this a bit lame, to be honest.

If Akai doesn't want the MPC4000, then let us paying customers have the source code for the OS and the FrameMaker files for the docs and we can do something USEful with this white elephant - it's plain that they don't want to.

By earwolf Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:56 pm
feline1 wrote:well I read 9 pages of the thing,
and he just kept saying "the MPC4000 was 'old Akai' and 'obsolete' and 'they couldn't support it' and 'yeah well we know it had better features that the kiddie MPCs we flog these days, but nobody making music ever uses 96/24 anyways lol' etc etc"

I find all this a bit lame, to be honest.

If Akai doesn't want the MPC4000, then let us paying customers have the source code for the OS and the FrameMaker files for the docs and we can do something USEful with this white elephant - it's plain that they don't want to.


yes but they DO want the upset 4000 owners to consider 'upgrading' to the new flagship...

By MPC 4 ME Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:23 pm
I dont understand. Whats wrong with the mpc4000? Why do you guys have one? Why are you guys so upset with Akai? What happened?
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By alpha80 Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:41 pm
^Well, they advertised features that they still have yet to implement...
...like 7 years later...
diegoeskryptic wrote:Just give up that damn OS and nobody gets hurt 8)
x100,000
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By feline1 Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:44 pm
Oh fer goddsakes!

Look, quick history Redux:

2002: Some guys in Japan insist on designing the MPC4000/Z4/Z8 OS themselves and not using the team who did the OS for Akai's S5000/6000 sampler series. They also write the user guides in Japanese and have them translated into English by robots.
These Japs are not musicians, have never really used samplers or MPCs in anger, they're just engineers.

The result is a dry as dust user manual and an OS that is so full of bugs and unfinished half-ass-implemented features that it drives the power users who have forked out about £2500 on the thing nuts. SysEx is knackered. Track mutes are knackered. It's got 4 MIDI outs but you can only sent MIDI clock to one at a time. FX returns are 12dB quieter than the main bus. Gain architecture is all over the place. Can't save onto the inbuilt CD-ROM. You need to spend about £750 more to get the SPDIF, ADAT and 8-outs boards. And 512MB RAM..... this mothfckker ain't cheap and it's a pile of junk.

With customers in uproar, Akai UK finally get to wrest the thing away from Japan, and their developers, who have been behind Akai industry-standard samplers for years, start issuing OS updates to fix all this crap....

...BUT - some ass-clowns in Akai US start advertising all these bogus "forthcoming feautres" like record audio to CD, intellisampling, stream audio from hard drive, etc etc etc.
None of these were ever planned, some are impossible to implement on the hardware.

Units get sold in the US under the premise that MPC4000 will do all this fantasy stuff - sh*t really starts hitting fan - big time annoyed customers - Akai UK's remedial bug fix schedule torn to shreds by having to try and delivery all these promised features....

....result: Akai US goes banktrupt :roll: (2003?)

Customer dissatisfaction high, Akai's fortunes teetering..... we get a few more OS updates from them but their heart's not in it and finally Akai UK/Japan goes bust too. (early 2005, was that?)

Akai bought by Numark,
MPC4000 never really supported since.
Numark bring out kiddie's toy versions of MPCs instead.


That's more or less it.

Basically MPC4000 shoulda been supa-killer top-of-the-range dream machine, ends up being a never-quite-finished white elephant, falling way short of its real potential.

By earwolf Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:58 pm
feline1 wrote:Oh fer goddsakes!

Look, quick history Redux:

2002: Some guys in Japan insist on designing the MPC4000/Z4/Z8 OS themselves and not using the team who did the OS for Akai's S5000/6000 sampler series. They also write the user guides in Japanese and have them translated into English by robots.
These Japs are not musicians, have never really used samplers or MPCs in anger, they're just engineers.

The result is a dry as dust user manual and an OS that is so full of bugs and unfinished half-ass-implemented features that it drives the power users who have forked out about £2500 on the thing nuts. SysEx is knackered. Track mutes are knackered. It's got 4 MIDI outs but you can only sent MIDI clock to one at a time. FX returns are 12dB quieter than the main bus. Gain architecture is all over the place. Can't save onto the inbuilt CD-ROM. You need to spend about £750 more to get the SPDIF, ADAT and 8-outs boards. And 512MB RAM..... this mothfckker ain't cheap and it's a pile of junk.

With customers in uproar, Akai UK finally get to wrest the thing away from Japan, and their developers, who have been behind Akai industry-standard samplers for years, start issuing OS updates to fix all this ****....

...BUT - some ass-clowns in Akai US start advertising all these bogus "forthcoming feautres" like record audio to CD, intellisampling, stream audio from hard drive, etc etc etc.
None of these were ever planned, some are impossible to implement on the hardware.

Units get sold in the US under the premise that MPC4000 will do all this fantasy stuff - sh*t really starts hitting fan - big time annoyed customers - Akai UK's remedial bug fix schedule torn to shreds by having to try and delivery all these promised features....

....result: Akai US goes banktrupt :roll: (2003?)

Customer dissatisfaction high, Akai's fortunes teetering..... we get a few more OS updates from them but their heart's not in it and finally Akai UK/Japan goes bust too. (early 2005, was that?)

Akai bought by Numark,
MPC4000 never really supported since.
Numark bring out kiddie's toy versions of MPCs instead.


That's more or less it.

Basically MPC4000 shoulda been supa-killer top-of-the-range dream machine, ends up being a never-quite-finished white elephant, falling way short of its real potential.


refreshingly on-point, as ever. can i just ask (i appreciate hindsight is a factor) but at what point in the above timeline did you feel the 4k was a worthwhile investment for feline hq? was it a case of hobsons choice? have you ever tried the roland mv units, and if so, what was your feeling? you don't strike me as yer stereotypical DJ Premier boom-bap 67% swing type of cat (well apart from the name) so I wonder why an MPC was chosen. was it the best available hardware sequencer at the time?

By MPC 4 ME Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:11 pm
Ok I see but that still doesnt answer my initial question. Why do you guys have an MPC4000? I mean Foge1, Feline1 and co. Basically all the whiners. Why do you keep it and bytch about it constantly? Just sell it and get something else instead, it will make you less frustrated. Why keeping a piece you dont like?




Do you guys want another OS? Or do you want your current OS with extra features? Because I cant see any improvements in what it does already. Well, maybe a few -> sequencer-wise
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By feline1 Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:27 pm
I think that was the reason, yes:
In 2002 I was in a regularly gigging electro band that had been seriously trying to do live gigs using vintage machines such as a Roland CR78 (4 programmable memories!) and Roland TR808 (16 patterns!!) and a Sinclair ZX Spectrum with a Cheetah SpecDrum plug-in box :lol:

All very nice, but a logistical nightmare.
I wanted to get a proper modern drum machine/sequencer which could fit in whole live sets, sounded cutting edge, and control all out analogue CV-gate stuff too.
During 2001, I did a lot of reading up, and the main options were hardware sequencers like the the Yamaha QY700 (?), the Roland MC-50 (? is that the right model number) or legacy machines like the MPC60, MPC3000 etc.

The problem I felt with these was that they were teetering on the brink of obsolescence themselves, the programming interface was a bit wallpapering-your-house-through-your-letterbox, and the digital factory sounds were crap...

...then I heard about the new MPC4000.
I was drooling! ROCK stable MIDI sequencer, fully-cutting-edge connectivity, storage and memory, and an excellent sampler: I could control all my CV-gate stuff over MIDI, or sample it.

...but it just didn't bloody work as well as it should've.

By MPC 4 ME Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:36 pm
Well then wake up, its 6 years later.