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By engineer Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:38 pm
I just graduated from IAR a few months ago. I'm already a full fledged engineer at a major recording studio (I was interning and assisting BEFORE I went to school). I would tell you you're better off just spending the 13k you'd spend at school on a proffessional grade protools rig. Or even better, just save the 13k to live in the city for a year or two and get an internship somewhere. You will learn twenty times as much being in a real recording studio than being at IAR.

Degrees in engineering usually work against you when trying to get low-level studio work, most engineers don't go to school and established guys will look down on you for not doing the same. Also, after being in school for a year, once you're put into a position where you're treated as if you know nothing it's difficult for young engineers to stay interested.

And finally, IAR is only what you make of it. I had 5 close friends I made while I was there and I'm the only one making any kind of bread. One has been interning at a studio for over a year and another makes 10 an hour working at some **** studio in Albany. The rest don't even work in the music industry and have gone on wishing they never spent the money.

IAR is a money making facility that will only your money and let you breeze through the courses until the 9 months is up and they have all your dough. I don't think they really care about being credible because to be honest with you, they aren't at all. I knew more about Protools (industry standard software) than any of the teachers there. On a sad note I was the one fixing the Protools rig in the Recording Workshop. One of the teachers had engineered a few sessions at the studio I work at and recognized my abilities so he put me on to the task.

That's the worst part of IAR is the staff. Half the dudes just graduated from some university for recording engineering and haven't even had real industry jobs. The rest are 65+, can't hear anymore, aren't hip to any current trends in music (IE hate hip-hop) and don't know half the things you need to know to make it in the modern recording business.

TRUST ME DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY TO BE TAUGHT BY AMATUERS AND AGING DINOSAURS! REMEMBER I ACTUALLY WENT THERE!

By ajk Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:28 am
Wow...i know this reply is late as hale...but thats some good info. I dont wanna be the dillusional cat that ventures off to NYC thinking im gonna go to school and then right into the industry only to be disapointed.

Thanks alot for the info guys, its truly appreciated...maybe i'll have to stick with this gig for now and just work on the beats. I just figured since i love messing with beats, it'd drive me even more, not to mention build contacts if i were a working audio engineer. But maybe i just gotta take it slow..

Thanks again ya'll

Aleem

By actionated Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:49 am
i've know plenty of people who went there and they told me the same. i went to the open house thing and i really wasn't impressed. the best thing to do is take up an intership and study on your own. read up on shit and experiment. experience is key. i won't lie if it wasn't that much doe i would go but that's OD.

By breeze2006 Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:00 pm
what do yall think about full sail is that a good school too

By breeze2006 Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:22 pm
what about fullsail

By engineer Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:14 am
We had a few interns at our studio that went to full sail. Not only does it not prepare you for real studio work but it also gives you an ego the size of the garfield float during the Thanksgiving Parade. We don't hire any more interns from full sail. Oh yeah it also costs three times as much. [/list]
By LaidBack Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:52 am
Basically, are all of these schools not a good idea? I was thinking about going to LA Recording School... however if its going to screw me I'd rather not to do it. I was also thinking about doing this thing called Recording connection or something...? It basically is a formal apprenticeship program? Any good? Thanks guys

By Fire Productionz Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:03 am
hey im a student at St. John's University in Jamaica, Queens and my school's Communications program has a partnership with IAR. I am currently a freshman comming on a close to my second semester. The program lets u go to IAR your whole 3rd year, and it is covered by the tuituon and comes with 30 credits for u. I went to the open house and i liked it. But now that i read some of these posts, i have second thoughts. I don't know what i should do.

By bigus Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:09 am
I love Vancouver...... I would stay there its way less stress than NYC (no diss to NYC ITS DOPE.) it depends on what you want.look for studios in Vancouver.....ask to intern be persistant. if you like it then maybe think about fullsail sae wherever. theres some crazy school up the road At sunset and vine in Los Angeles. I would stay in vancouver man tough it out. takes about a year or more to get started anywhere. i went to an audio engineering college in London. the fist studios i went into they were like you wasted your money

By Man VS Machine Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:56 pm
I was also thinking about doing this thing called Recording connection or something...? It basically is a formal apprenticeship program? Any good?


LaidBack I hope I've cought you in time DON'T GO WITH THE RECORDING CONNETION. I inroled in this crap.... Big misstake and now I'm out 5 grand :evil: . It's been a year and half and the program sucks the work book sucks and their customer service sucks. It took them six months to place me and what they did for me with a little confindince I could of done for my self. Get a phone book and do the reserch and set up your own interves with local studios for internships. SAVE YOUR MONEY.... if you want to be a producer inverst in song beat making gear...... if you want to be an enginer invest in some recordering gear.

Oh and the entire course is based off this book MODERN RECORDING TECHNIQUES, FIFTH EDITION... by DAVID MILES HUBER & ROBERT E. RUNSTEIN.... you can find it at any bookstore, very helpful

By LaidBack Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:28 am
haha, well u wern't in time, but I looked them up in BBB... and they had a hard F rating, so I decided to peace out, and hooked up my own deal w/ robert lang studios 5 minutes away from my house. Dont do much hip-hop, but its tight, they've done sir-mix-a-lot lol. DMB, death cab for cutie, foo fighters, warren G Damien Marley, its been tight thus far, thanks tho

By noble5 Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:41 am

I just graduated from IAR a few months ago. I'm already a full fledged engineer at a major recording studio (I was interning and assisting BEFORE I went to school). I would tell you you're better off just spending the 13k you'd spend at school on a proffessional grade protools rig. Or even better, just save the 13k to live in the city for a year or two and get an internship somewhere. You will learn twenty times as much being in a real recording studio than being at IAR.

Degrees in engineering usually work against you when trying to get low-level studio work, most engineers don't go to school and established guys will look down on you for not doing the same. Also, after being in school for a year, once you're put into a position where you're treated as if you know nothing it's difficult for young engineers to stay interested.

And finally, IAR is only what you make of it. I had 5 close friends I made while I was there and I'm the only one making any kind of bread. One has been interning at a studio for over a year and another makes 10 an hour working at some **** studio in Albany. The rest don't even work in the music industry and have gone on wishing they never spent the money.

IAR is a money making facility that will only your money and let you breeze through the courses until the 9 months is up and they have all your dough. I don't think they really care about being credible because to be honest with you, they aren't at all. I knew more about Protools (industry standard software) than any of the teachers there. On a sad note I was the one fixing the Protools rig in the Recording Workshop. One of the teachers had engineered a few sessions at the studio I work at and recognized my abilities so he put me on to the task.

That's the worst part of IAR is the staff. Half the dudes just graduated from some university for recording engineering and haven't even had real industry jobs. The rest are 65+, can't hear anymore, aren't hip to any current trends in music (IE hate hip-hop) and don't know half the things you need to know to make it in the modern recording business.

TRUST ME DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY TO BE TAUGHT BY AMATUERS AND AGING DINOSAURS! REMEMBER I ACTUALLY WENT THERE!


engineer : I'm glad you shared your knowledge about IAR. I was one stamp and money order away from going there this week but I have second thoughts now. I tried to the intern route but these freakn' dicks make it harder then what is to be an intern at a studio. If you have some suggestions please hit me back. I've been wanting to work in studio for a while but i've been battleing the 9 to 5 and studio egos.

Noble

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By ROCKNOID Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:12 pm
Antonym wrote:i'm applying to the clive davis school of recorded music.

but five clowns, also, because CD is SO hard to get into.

however, i'm slowly growing more confident in my own abilities to impress, but i've been trained to believe self confidence is the first step toward utter failure.


isnt the clive davis just an undergrad program?
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By fasttrackpimp Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:12 am
Anyone that's gone to sae how did you like the school? I've been looking into goin, but wanted to know if it was a good school to be checkin out.