Talk about the music biz - marketing, promotions, contract law, copyright etc...
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By issues Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:07 pm
i never got paid in cash for ANY of my beats. i tend to get equipment in exchange for one of my tracks. I am gettin interest, tho. I just hope i get some cash for it before the years is out, cuz i gotta take care of my fam (only man in da house).

good thread

By Knoxximus Wed May 04, 2005 3:26 pm
I have a feeling my stock is about to go up. 8)

I gotta get a beat CD to these ballin' azz nygga that do exotic car customizing. I told the dude $500 to lease (non-exclusive), $1000 for exclusive w/ backend, and $1500-2000 to outright sell BUT I still have my name as producer on the credits....that is more important to me than ANYTHING!! 8)
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By DEEPDOWNINSIDE Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:59 am
i got some buddies they sell beats all the time. They charge more if they get NO ALBUM CREDIT and less if the get credit. Kinda like advertisement.
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By tanamo00420 Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:14 am
Ron wrote:I get what I can. My average is $5500.00 to sell out all rights.
What do I care, you got a budget and i don't want to see you til your next album any way. The thing is if $500.00 is all I can get then - if I am desperate then I will take that. The stuff flow out me like water any way. But the $500.00 client is definatly not in the same league as the $5500.00 client. I try to keep my self surounded by the higher dollar client. But I aint going to turn my back and snub my nose at an up and comer eighther. I get in where I fit in. A buck is a buck and i do no my worth. Some have tried to scrape me becuase i won't go under $500.00. My belief is why go to a lexus dealer and complain about the price when all you have is toyota money. They are the same car right? It will cost you something.



this is a good way to operate
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By honeycut Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:10 pm
yall talking about selling your beats on the i-net! where do u guys sell em? on ebay or what???

u gotta know, here in austria theres no "clientel" that's going to buy your beats. only cats that r begging for beats...

so where to?
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By ^Owni Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:49 am
tanamo00420 wrote:
Ron wrote:I get what I can. My average is $5500.00 to sell out all rights.
What do I care, you got a budget and i don't want to see you til your next album any way. The thing is if $500.00 is all I can get then - if I am desperate then I will take that. The stuff flow out me like water any way. But the $500.00 client is definatly not in the same league as the $5500.00 client. I try to keep my self surounded by the higher dollar client. But I aint going to turn my back and snub my nose at an up and comer eighther. I get in where I fit in. A buck is a buck and i do no my worth. Some have tried to scrape me becuase i won't go under $500.00. My belief is why go to a lexus dealer and complain about the price when all you have is toyota money. They are the same car right? It will cost you something.



this is a good way to operate


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By MAVERICK Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:39 am
wow, and I only charge 25 for a beat, and ppl start cryin' and belly achein'

By scorpion1082 Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:45 am
issues wrote:i never got paid in cash for ANY of my beats. i tend to get equipment in exchange for one of my tracks. I am gettin interest, tho. I just hope i get some cash for it before the years is out, cuz i gotta take care of my fam (only man in da house).

good thread



Equipment........ Hmmmm........ I like the sound of that. Depends on what they're offering. What have you gotten from these folks.
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By DEEPDOWNINSIDE Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:08 pm
MAVERICK wrote:wow, and I only charge 25 for a beat, and ppl start cryin' and belly achein'

Hey but I bet you got alot credits. Im sure you have quite of few people printing up cds with your beats on them make sure they give you credit at least. If not you jack them up to 100-200 bucks.
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By Freedom Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:28 pm
Lets get down to prices......

500 dollars minimum per tracks depending on Royalties and how many points you getting off the albums sales...

Most producers only get 2 points....Dre he gets at least 8 points...

If its a new artist I will ask for 3 points b/c if the beat sells well I get my paper on the back end...If Not I sold the beat for a minimum of 500 dollars and I made a weeks work of hard labor by selling one beat...Usually when deallin with Beats...
I do the upfront and Final pAyments...
So Upfront I might want 500 but once the song is sold or on the radio I want my final cut, which will be negotiated once I see the final outcome...
Example.. Is the cd gonna do well, Is it always on the radio, Is there exposure..

As for royalties never give them up you can negotiate percentages.
But the longer you negotiate the mor emoney you lose..
B/c lawyers cost money and they gotta go over ever copy of the contract and maybe you get 2000 for 1 days work..
Contracts usually take a week to go over then send back to the label they go over it and send back what they dont like...

Expect to pay 10 gs in lawyer fees if you wanna fight for a better deal...

And remember in the end you are no one unless u control your masters....
U made the beat and he raps on it , legally in the copyrights eye its the rappers song.
B/c copyright doesnt protect the beat it protects the lyrics of the song...
So in the end the rapper gets 50 percent and you get 50 percent no matter what, but most producers forget this starting off and then down the road...
The rapper now owns 100 percent of the song b/c they will offer to sell your half of the song for an upfront fee..

Just get your paper...
Soundtracks, DVDs, Mixtapes....
I mean if you charge 250 per beat....And get 6 songs on a few tracks a week your making... a cool 1500 a week.. Now thats a hustle... but start small work up...

Like that one cat was saying who have you produced for...
Thats what brings in the paper...
so you know offer to put a couple tracks on a dvd free..
Then you got credits..
Just build up the work you done...
What you done.. actually I have done 6 dvd soundtrack 4 t.v commercials 30 radio ads...
Then the guy will be like ohhhh. 250 thats a deal..
Sell your tracks like you where selling butter to a fat man..
you kno he needs it even thou he got 5 pounds in his fridge//

By fader-pro Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:56 pm
I sell beats regularly but in my industry they call 'em.....commercials. $1000 - $10,000. The 10k ones are far and few between....

By pad-ophiliac Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:28 pm
so how do you write royalty points in your contract. especially if you dealin with a local label and the track goes major, hows that work? the major label will prob want to negotiate with the local label but if they have already made a deal with you, what if the majors don't agree with you and locals negotiating? if i could figure out how to do it without being scamed, i would give some peeps beats for free as long as i could get my royalties after 20,000 or so copies sold. anyone?
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By Ron Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:09 am
Listen up most of those people I sold beats to I never trusted. They want to be my buddy. I don't have friends just associates so no love loss. I made it up in my mind a long time ago I was going to sell my beats like dope. That mind frame has taken me far. I was just in the right place at the right time. Hustlers understand one thing. Opportunity never knocks it just stands by quietly waiting to be noticed. Not everything is music. You will have to do some corporate stuff. I am one of many producers that work with Les Brown a motivational speaker. As a matter of fact I have produced many motivational speakers. Game is Game. I also have done production for Dr. Patch Adams and Peter Yarrow (puff the Magic Dragon), The Department of Home Land Security and Mc Donald’s Corp. These are not my normal cup of tea but I am allergic to bills. Get in where you can. If the customer wants a white elephant tell them have the money for it tonight. Just be bold enough to follow your dream and don’t punk out when it’s time to get it on.
So what my name is not in lights. My lights are on. I got kids and they demand results. That is my motivation. After careful study of ones work ethics I do network. Two can make exponentially more money than one. When hustlers unite - now that's when we get to take 3 & 4 month breaks because the cheddar is sharp.
As for lawyers I have tangled with many. They like to act like they paying you. Running you like the client. Last I cheeked the library was free and the university Law library is also. I ran into plenty that were studying up for our next bout. Lawyer's work for you. Sharpen your game and you will find that they are just hustlers too. Legal counsel is great if you keep your self informed and your help (lawyers) is in their place. Every time I find mistakes or loop holes in a deal I take it out of their pay. YES. They are fully aware before we get started they better be sharp. I have required them to sign ND contracts and agreements before any dealings. You are their boss remember that.

By dknows2 Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:46 pm
As of yet, I have only done beats for radio commercials (30 and 60 second spots). The minimum I have gotten is $500.00. Which isn't much considering the industry minimum. However, I will take the gig if it is something that I can put on my resume that will be beneficial. Plus, I still retain the rights to my beats; they are only paying for license to use them. If I'm not going to be paid well for my services or I can't expect to be paid any royalties because the album is only going to circulate in my neighborhood, it doesn't make sense for me to do it. It's money to be made don't sell yourself short. I was at a friends house that I do these commercials with and I watched him open mail with a check in it for $800.00 for voice-over work. He said it only took him something like a couple hrs. to do. We work hard creating these beats and should be well compensated for it.

By pad-ophiliac Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:56 pm
dknows2 wrote:As of yet, I have only done beats for radio commercials (30 and 60 second spots). The minimum I have gotten is $500.00. Which isn't much considering the industry minimum. However, I will take the gig if it is something that I can put on my resume that will be beneficial. Plus, I still retain the rights to my beats; they are only paying for license to use them. If I'm not going to be paid well for my services or I can't expect to be paid any royalties because the album is only going to circulate in my neighborhood, it doesn't make sense for me to do it. It's money to be made don't sell yourself short. I was at a friends house that I do these commercials with and I watched him open mail with a check in it for $800.00 for voice-over work. He said it only took him something like a couple hrs. to do. We work hard creating these beats and should be well compensated for it.


nice. my friend's pops does commercials and he was asking me if i would be interested in doing voice-overs. i always heard that it paid well and he was telling me the same, i hope i can pull in that kind of dough.