Sample Clearing; Producer Vs Artist/Label

So I've read all over this forum how a producer gets a better deal if he/she clears the sample themselves.

How?

Can you get away with paying a lower advance?

Thing is, I have a track with a sample running all through it. I was thinking of replaying it to avoid the advance pay off. The beat is for a rapper who will release it. He has his own label. Should I just give him the beat with original sample and let him deal with it?

How could I lose out here?

you can also offer the original artist a percentage of back end profits and not have the label in your pocket. most a&r's will screw you on clearing a sample by quoting a crazy number. then go and lowball the artist then keep the change. industry rule #4080....... one

What do you mean band end profits?

I've already tried clearing it. The publisher has requested 25% publishing for the sample. I aint got a figure from the label yet.

With regards to this, if the label ask for an amount I cannot afford in bulk, can I pay them back on profits I earn from the track? SO basically pay them back slowly?

man, figure out how much this sample is worth to you first off.

can you have someone recreate the sample for you with a little twist and use that? if so then do it. if you have someone replay the sample, but add something to it, its yours now since you recorded and paid the player for it.

tell the publisher your going to have someone replay the sample with a twist, so they are lossing out by trying to rip you off at 25% publishing. its either they deal on the share or you pull the plug and record something like it yourself.

once they hear that, they should change their mind. 15% of something is better then 100% of nothing ya feel me?

just make sure you dont copy the sample your replaying 100%, just keep the key elements. keep the multitrack you record.

i do this all the time when publishers try to strong arm me, remember they sold the album already, you havent. they stand to make something off you, not the other way around. you can just replay it and they dont have a foot to stand on.

Peace,

Rob

PS- clear your own samples, dont let labels or A&R's do it for you, your asking to be greased up, bent over and plugged if you catch my drift hahahahhahahaha

so what if you dont have the doe to clear and are unknown and just need to get your name out. would you then just take whats giving to you? 25% of something is better than nothing at all. personally i wouldnt touch trying to clear samples especially not off the bat let the record company handle that, after i build up clientel i would then seek getting them cleared myself. anybody else feels this way?

I agree with u J Wales.

Who cares if u dont get shit alll when you're starting out. I rather get my name on a vinyl than worry about what Im getting paid for it.

I think anyone who is too concerned with the doe from the beginning is not doing themselves a favour