Release

I record from the record, slice my sample and convert to sliced samples. My question is, what is the best release point or number for sliced samples and release for drum loops? I thank you in advance for any help I can get.

Try various release settings. There is no one-size-fits-all.

I always used 0.
Use 0 and set your release settings on the AMP envelopes afterwards.

Experiment for yourself.

jimmie wrote:I always used 0.
Use 0 and set your release settings on the AMP envelopes afterwards.

Experiment for yourself.

I think he was referring to the release setting in the auto chop which affects how it slices.
If you use a bad release you can't just fix it with the AMP ENV.

As Clint suggested you have to play with it to see what gives you the desired affect on your chops.

ntalec wrote:

jimmie wrote:I always used 0.
Use 0 and set your release settings on the AMP envelopes afterwards.

Experiment for yourself.

I think he was referring to the release setting in the auto chop which affects how it slices.
If you use a bad release you can't just fix it with the AMP ENV.

As Clint suggested you have to play with it to see what gives you the desired affect on your chops.

I was referring to the release setting when converting to sliced samples. How is that not apparent?

Use 0 and then it will chop exactly where you put your slice points. Then you can use the AMP envelopes in Program to shape each chop to taste "non-destructively".
If you use a release setting other than 0 when converting to sliced samples it is destructive to your chops.

Like I said, the OP should experiment but I stick to 0.

jimmie wrote:

ntalec wrote:

jimmie wrote:I always used 0.
Use 0 and set your release settings on the AMP envelopes afterwards.

Experiment for yourself.

I think he was referring to the release setting in the auto chop which affects how it slices.
If you use a bad release you can't just fix it with the AMP ENV.

As Clint suggested you have to play with it to see what gives you the desired affect on your chops.

I was referring to the release setting when converting to sliced samples. How is that not apparent?

Use 0 and then it will chop exactly where you put your slice points. Then you can use the AMP envelopes in Program to shape each chop to taste "non-destructively".
If you use a release setting other than 0 when converting to sliced samples it is destructive to your chops.

Like I said, the OP should experiment but I stick to 0.

You directed them to experiment with the envelope not the release which is what they asked about.
We were telling them to experiment with the release setting to see what worked for what hey were trying to accomplish.
User joined in May 2013, has 2 post at the moment and if you read the question it was a newbie type question more like someone just learning to chop.

ntalec wrote:You directed them to experiment with the envelope not the release which is what they asked about.
We were telling them to experiment with the release setting to see what worked for what hey were trying to accomplish.
User joined in May 2013, has 2 post at the moment and if you read the question it was a newbie type question more like someone just learning to chop.

No

Re-read my original post. It's clear and correct.

I directly referred to the release setting in 'convert to sliced samples' as that is what I thought the OP was talking about.
It was one of the settings which confused me when I first got my MPC2500.
Hence why I gave my advice of setting it to 0, because otherwise it is a destructive process.
Set that to zero, then you can mess with the release settings for each chop 'non-destructively' with the AMP envelopes (in Program) afterwards.

Not sure, not chopping much but I would swear that release setting in chop mode actually adds portion of the sample with the release +, so chops are not chopped to the markers, but it's like they overlap each other (longer that markers show if you add release).

Bugfix wrote:Not sure, not chopping much but I would swear that release setting in chop mode actually adds portion of the sample with the release +, so chops are not chopped to the markers, but it's like they overlap each other (longer that markers show if you add release).

That's what I thought as well instead of chopped as marked.
This was one of the things that made chop shop odd for many when the 2500 first came out.

jimmie wrote:

ntalec wrote:You directed them to experiment with the envelope not the release which is what they asked about.
We were telling them to experiment with the release setting to see what worked for what hey were trying to accomplish.
User joined in May 2013, has 2 post at the moment and if you read the question it was a newbie type question more like someone just learning to chop.

No

Re-read my original post. It's clear and correct.

I directly referred to the release setting in 'convert to sliced samples' as that is what I thought the OP was talking about.
It was one of the settings which confused me when I first got my MPC2500.
Hence why I gave my advice of setting it to 0, because otherwise it is a destructive process.
Set that to zero, then you can mess with the release settings for each chop 'non-destructively' with the AMP envelopes (in Program) afterwards.

You still sent him to AMP when he needed to try various release setting to see what gives his chops the desired results
Destructive or non-destructive doesn't even pertain to this.
The release setting is supposed to help you get chops that are less choppy or more choppy if desired.
You can't get the same effect just saying use 0 then Envelope as you can by using various release settings.

My understanding of the 'release' setting in CHOP is that it is similar to the 'stretch' setting in Recycle, in that it adds a small amount of additional release to each chop. Unlike the 2000XL (which just 'borrowed' the extra audio from the start of the next slice) this release is constructed from the end of the current slice to provide a natural sounding additional length to the sample (just like Recycle)

This is easily tested. I created a single sample, 50481 in length, containing two snare hits. I then sliced it into two regions.

The CHOP settings were as follows:

Slice 1: 0 to 23318
Slice 2: 23318 to 50481

I then converted with a 'release' of 0

Chop 1 = 0 to 22757
Chop 2 = 0 to 26310

I then repeated with a release of 20

Chop 1 = 0 to 26757
Chop 2 = 0 to 30310

As you can see, a release of '20' adds 4000 to the length of each chop.

Hence when chopping, I'd suggest you do add a small amount of release, just to help avoid that choppy sound when constructing your own breaks, plus this will give you a bit of extra length to then apply decay settings if required.

However as this is an artificially created addition to your chops, you may find high release settings sound unnatural. You'll need to experiment - unfortunately you'll have to recreate your slices each time you experiment!

Generally speaking, I tend to add a release of between 20-50.

I usually use the release for a 4 bar sample chop between 18 and 20 according to the final bpm of the sample.