By dume41
Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:35 pm
I’ve been making beats for about 15 years. I’m embarrassed to say this but I can not find a simple function on the MPC2500 which exists everywhere else.
On the 2000xl, If you want to match some phrases up (WITHOUT time stretching), you simply go to the parameters page of your sample after setting it to loop perfectly. On that page there is a calculated BPM for the phrase. You can turn the tune up or down and the BPM is recalculated instantly. In this way you can adjust the sample to perfectly match the tempo of your sequence. This takes all of 3 seconds to do. I have poured overt the 2500 manual. Although I’ve never posted here, I’ve read thousands of posts on the forum. Is this function just gone?
Before I start getting the standard answers, there are some ‘work arounds’ that are not the same:
1. Time stretching
I am not interested in keeping the same pitch. I WANT the pitch to get screwed. My favorite albums of all times had production done this way. A lot of Organized Konfusion, 4th Disciple, and Bomb Squad Stuff is done this way. And it’s how I prefer to make my beats. And I really dislike the idea of: determining the tempo, doing a time stretch to make the phrase fit, and then subsequently pitch shifting to detune it. All to replace a 3 second operation from the XL.
2. Patched Phrase
Same as time stretching. I don’t need the mpc to chop the pieces and play them back on beat for me. I can do that by hand. And very quickly.
3. Change my track tempo
The whole point is I don’t want to raise my tempo to 120 or lower it to 80. I don’t let samples dictate my tempo. My tempo controls what I do with the samples. If I want my track at 92, or 98 for these rhymes I got then that’s just where I want it.
4. Chop the phrase into slices and put each slice on beat, then adjust each note’s pitch until the phrase doesn’t sound off. Really.... really... I just want the same function as my old cheap $600 XL in my $2000 box. Is this too much to ask?
This is disturbing me because I copped my 2500 at full retail and blew it out with 80 G HD, 2G CF card and 128M ram. It bothers me that I could have bought an SP606, 404, or just kept my 2000XL and all of those “lesser” samplers would do what I want (I have personally used this function on all of them and they were quick and effective). I mean in sonar you just right click and select “groove clip” and it’s done. But... I HATE using the computer to compose because it messes up my workflow.. all the clicking and dragging. Don't get me wrong.. the ten outs , the CF reader, HD, and drum grid editing (whatup my Boss DR old schoolers!!) make the machine worth it. But if I need to buy another machine to sit along side phrase matching.. it would be disappointing.
If anyone at all knows where this function is or can conclude definitely that it does not exist, It would be GREATLY appreciated.
dume41 the scientist
Several Active Minds
myspace.com/severalactiveminds
On the 2000xl, If you want to match some phrases up (WITHOUT time stretching), you simply go to the parameters page of your sample after setting it to loop perfectly. On that page there is a calculated BPM for the phrase. You can turn the tune up or down and the BPM is recalculated instantly. In this way you can adjust the sample to perfectly match the tempo of your sequence. This takes all of 3 seconds to do. I have poured overt the 2500 manual. Although I’ve never posted here, I’ve read thousands of posts on the forum. Is this function just gone?
Before I start getting the standard answers, there are some ‘work arounds’ that are not the same:
1. Time stretching
I am not interested in keeping the same pitch. I WANT the pitch to get screwed. My favorite albums of all times had production done this way. A lot of Organized Konfusion, 4th Disciple, and Bomb Squad Stuff is done this way. And it’s how I prefer to make my beats. And I really dislike the idea of: determining the tempo, doing a time stretch to make the phrase fit, and then subsequently pitch shifting to detune it. All to replace a 3 second operation from the XL.
2. Patched Phrase
Same as time stretching. I don’t need the mpc to chop the pieces and play them back on beat for me. I can do that by hand. And very quickly.
3. Change my track tempo
The whole point is I don’t want to raise my tempo to 120 or lower it to 80. I don’t let samples dictate my tempo. My tempo controls what I do with the samples. If I want my track at 92, or 98 for these rhymes I got then that’s just where I want it.
4. Chop the phrase into slices and put each slice on beat, then adjust each note’s pitch until the phrase doesn’t sound off. Really.... really... I just want the same function as my old cheap $600 XL in my $2000 box. Is this too much to ask?
This is disturbing me because I copped my 2500 at full retail and blew it out with 80 G HD, 2G CF card and 128M ram. It bothers me that I could have bought an SP606, 404, or just kept my 2000XL and all of those “lesser” samplers would do what I want (I have personally used this function on all of them and they were quick and effective). I mean in sonar you just right click and select “groove clip” and it’s done. But... I HATE using the computer to compose because it messes up my workflow.. all the clicking and dragging. Don't get me wrong.. the ten outs , the CF reader, HD, and drum grid editing (whatup my Boss DR old schoolers!!) make the machine worth it. But if I need to buy another machine to sit along side phrase matching.. it would be disappointing.
If anyone at all knows where this function is or can conclude definitely that it does not exist, It would be GREATLY appreciated.
dume41 the scientist
Several Active Minds
myspace.com/severalactiveminds
Last edited by dume41 on Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:59 pm, edited 3 times in total.
but i assume the 2500 jjos has it aswell .
