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By sun drugs Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:20 am
Hey guys,
spent the last few days reading a million threads on what mpc to buy for my needs.
Ive singled it down to either a 1000 with JJ or lash out and get a 2500 with JJ and sell a few bits of kit i own.

What i want to do is use the mpc live to play out. I need some advise on what to look for.
Currently i use a maschine on a craptop however its small failures have led me to look into a switching to an mpc. I think (and hope) my workflow will remain the same.
How i make beats...
I constantly buy and sell synths. what ill do is make a series of samples of the synths playing a long C note which ill then load into a pad in maschine, there i can tweak, eq, filter etc etc to get the sounds im after and if im not digging the synth i offload it. I pretty much rape everything through filters, its important, they will get a workout.

I sequence my songs in maschine at this point in time. I also do all my beat work in maschine too. I make electronic music, i work under a few different names for different projects so sometimes ill be making jungle, othertimes techno and house other times ambient and experimental.
Maschine can comfortably let me do everything i need to however the one thing i cant belive it cant do it let me play live, plus using a computer is a drag.. Live as in a song mode.. Im sure the update will come however i want to get out of the computer
Thats where my homeboy mpc comes into play.

So what i would like to do is play live sets of techno and ambient with an mpc as my main man. I would need to be able to load my samples of different synths into it so id be using it as a sound module as such. Plus running most drums out of the mpc. Ill be playing the synth sounds with a external controller in the studio but Live in song mode ill be i guess using mutes and the q link for filter movements.

Ill be using an additional 2 or 3 other hardware units via sync (707 + mfb 522) and also id like to sequence my dx100 through midi with the mpc. Being able to control more is going to be better especially with a growing studio. i have some hardware fx too from guitar pedals to rack gear that id use through the mixer as sends or straight out of the mpc through one channel i guess..

My question is will the 1000 with JJOS be able to handle a liveset, approx 1 hour with my needs.
Are the fx on the 1000 good enough for productions as my tunes can be quite over produced (jungle/dnb anyways). I do also use logic which if i had to i can get deep into producing. Im more concerned that i can replace my maschine with an MPC and still keep the songs busy (enough ram and memory to play them). I need to be able to then play them in song mode also

Do i need a 2500, the extra outputs and fx probably means i wont outgrow it but is the ram and memory going to be enough to keep me going? Are the extra fx on the 2500 worth it. The size of the 1000 is a huge bonus for carrying around to gigs

a few examples of the kinda sets id be taking inspiration from
bookworms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNYreFBNx8
steve summers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYVsAkqVBp8

https://soundcloud.com/rorymcpike
heres my soundcloud if anyone wants to hear the sounds im going for..

look forward to being a part of the community with my (hopefully) new MPC. there are some great producers on here
and a big thanks to anyone who can help out. i know its been covered a million times but no one makes music the same ya know..
Im sure ill have more questions soon
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By Menco Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:02 am
Biggest downside of the mpc for live use will be the ram limitations. But there are a few tricks to work around that by using ur ram as efficient as possible
Maybe you can use another soundsource halfway your set when you load up the second part of your set. You are already saving ram by using and sequencing outboard gear, so you might won't have that much problems with that.

For the q-links I personally prefer the 2500. The number of outputs really depends on your workflow. For mobility the 1000 is a winner here.

Since you're buying and selling gear constantly I would say, just buy one and try it.

Edit: btw, the fx in the mpc aren't that good imo. They are ok, but not great. If I were you I would edit my samples in Logic and then throw them inside the mpc.
By sun drugs Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:17 pm
thanks for the reply, yeh ive considered having to do some pre processing in maschine or logic beforehand which is a bit annoying but it might do for now.
Im leaning towards the 1000 at this stage for portability sake.

another question though
I have a midi keyboard plugged into my laptop that i use with the maschine.
when i have the sound selected per pad i can play the sound up and down along the keyboard.
can this be done with the mpc? i assume yes.. via midi... so i can have a sample of a C note in which i play a synth line from with appropriate adsr and filter settings...
however i think that will permanently take up a midi slot when in studio use
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By Menco Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:09 pm
Yes that's possible.

A set of samples with all the settings (Pad assignment, midi note assignment, adsr, volume etc) is called a program in mpc terms. You can set up your program to have it acting like a synth or keyboard. With JJOS2 and up you can also use instrument programs, so you can build programs just like a multisample instrument, just what you are looking for.

I'm not sure what you mean by midi slot.

For going back and forth between mashine/logic and the mpc I think that is one of the best ways to go. It's quite easy to dump samples on your mpc's harddisk or cf card thru USB. The mpc is great for (midi) sequencing and live performance. Although JJOS compensates for a lot of hardware limitations, it still isn't the most flexible and most advanced piece of equipment for sample editing. Especially when it comes down to FX.

Just to be sure: are you also aware of the fact that the 1000 also has less midi outputs? Don't know if that might be a problem for you?
By sun drugs Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:30 am
yeah im trying to work it out now because the studio setup will probably slightly differ from the live setup.
I think most of my synth work will be done via sampling synths into the mpc so that would save ram and midi inputs/outputs which is good. thanks for the help

I think live ill take the dx100 on the road and then use one or two other drum machines for fun tweaking while the live set rolls out.

Its always a lot of fun learning a new tool and im all for limitations but thanks for the concern over the fx. To be honest most of my processing will be done through the filter envelopes for a lot of the techno stuff but if i really want to go overboard i guess itll have to be done in hardware synths or maschine. Im sure ill find a way. Plus with the option to resample the output shit can get real very fast :smoker:

As the ram is the same in the 25k and the 1k i think ill try save coin on the 1k and probably sell a few other bits of kit to buy some more hardware fx and guitar pedals.
But im gonna go into a store around town and check the size and smaller pads on the 1k before probably trying to find one on ebay