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By dume41 Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:52 pm
MPC Wars

MPC1000 vs MPC2000XL vs MPC2500

The MPC series samplers are used to create beats. With a crate of Vinyl for inspiration, an aspiring producer need look no further.

Similarities

The entire MPC family is capable of sampling sounds at CD quality fidelity (44khz 16 bit). They all have sequencers which allow you to play your samples in a recognizable pattern. The MPC1000 retails for $999, the MPC2000XL (out of production) can be found for about $800, while the MPC2500 retails at $1999. How does one chose? What are the differences?

RAM
What it Is:

Ram is the memory of your sampler. Any sound that you want to play must be located in RAM at the time you want to play it. The more RAM you have the more sounds you have access to at ay given time.

The MPC1000 and 2500 both ship with 16 megs of ram. The MPC2000 ships with 2 megs. The MPC1000 and 2500 can be expanded to 128 megs of RAM while the MPC2000XL can only be expanded to 32 megs.

Does it matter?


Absolutely. My own personal collection of drum samples alone is more than 32 megs. I could not audition all of my drums at once on the MPC2000XL. Keep in mind that the street price to max out the MPC2000's RAM is about $20 in a used PC store, the MPC1000 and 2500 will run you at least twice that. Significantly more if you purchase the factory Akai memory module ($150).

Storage

What it is:

Ram is erased every time you turn your MPC off so you need a place to permanently store your samples and sequences. This is called storage. The MPC1000 and 2500 store to compact flash. You can store up to 2 gigabytes (2000 megabytes) on each card. The MPC2000XL stores to... floppy disks!!?? Yes.. to floppy disks.. it would take about 1,388 floppy disks to equal the storage a single 2G compact flash card. In addition, floppy disks are very slow. MOst MPC2000XL users have then decided to add a ZIP drive to their system. These ZIP drives hold 100 megs of data, which is not bad. they are still much much slower than compact flash cards and it would still take 200 zip disks to hold the data in a single 2 gig compact flash card.

Does it matter?

Absolutely. In a beat battle it can be frustrating to have to change disks and wait for the access time. In showing clients your wares, it is advantageous to be able to load beats swiftly, which although is a simple technological feat of your machine, does give you the appearance of mastery.

Chopping

What it is:

Chopping is splitting a sample into several different pieces which can then be replayed, resequenced time stretched, etc. The MPC1000 can chop samples into pieces from 2 to 64, evenly divided by time. Then after the sample is split, you can easily adjust the start and end point of each new sample. Once the new 'regions' are established you can easily assign them automatically across the MPC's pads in a new 'program'. The MPC2000XL can do the exact same thing except it can only split a sample into 16 parts. The MPC2500 adds new functionality to chopping on a hardware sampler. The 2500 is able to detect the transients in a sample and automatically chop the sample based on where it actually changes to a different sound. The effect is to split the sample into musical parts without having to adjust the start and end points. This is a time saver.
Does it matter?

In this case the functionality is very close. The 2500 can save you a few minutes.

Time Stretching

Time stretching is the ability to take a sample and stretch it out or shrink it down in length while maintaining the original pitch. All of the compared MPC can perform this function with varying degrees of speed.

Does it matter?

This really depends. For me personally, I like the detuning that occurs when time stretching does not occur, but instead the sample is raised and lowered in octaves. For some people who make their beats from pre-existing musical phrases (loops) this is very important.

Outputs

What it is:

After crafting your masterpiece, there must be a way to transfer it to a recording environment (usually a Digital Audio Workstation of some sort). The number and quality of inputs varies greatly on the three models. The MPC1000 has 6 analog outputs and two digital (s/pdif) outputs. The digital outputs automatically transmit the same signal as the main stereo pair of outputs. The MPC2000XL has a single stereo pair of outputs. For only $250, you can increase this by eight outputs plus a digital stereo pair. The MPC2500 comes with ten analog and a single stereo digital pair.

Does it matter?

It is semi important. Professionally mixed music has each sound recorded on a separate track so that effects may be applied individually o each sound. If your sampler only has two outputs you are going to replay the part of the song you want record once for each stereo sound or once for each pair of mono sounds. This can make the recording of your beat go from 5 minutes to an hour, easily. If you are paying buy the hour this is a major difference.

Effects

What it is:

Effects are digital processing algorithms that change so modify the sound of your music. The MPC1000 and 2500 ship with the akai effects suite. The MPC2000XL can have the effects board added for $349. Ouch!

Does it matter?

Probably not. In a professional environment, the effects, other than the resonant filters, on the MPC will probably not be used, as nearly every DAW is equipped with far superior effects.

Screen

The MPC2000XL and 2500 come with tilting screens, while the 1000's screen does not tilt (it should be noted that thought he 2000XL has the tilt screen, the original 2000 does not).

Does it matter?

Maybe. I personally have got a bad crimp in my neck from being bent over the 1000's screen for a couple hours. Usually adjusting your height or distance from the sampler fixes this problem, but there are some situations, like being in a dark club, where it just might not happen.

Sequencing

What it is:

Sequencing is the structuring of a pattern of measures or of an entire song in a specific order. This is the mode used to actually create your song. You record the samples you play in a "sequence" of events. The sequencing on all three machines is a 64 track sequencer. The MPC2500 adds something the others do not have though..drum grid editing. This is the ability to place symbols on a grid which symbolizes the passage of time. This is very advantageous for programming drum patterns and was used on a lot of famous roland drum machines of yore.

Connectivity

What it is:

The ability to exchange data directly with a PC (without the need to record the sound through the outputs in real time). The MPC1000 and 2500 have USB ports which allow your PC or Mac to view your MPC as an external hard drive, on which sounds may be dragged and dropped freely back and forth. The MPC2000XL has no such connectivity, but does offer SCSI disk storage, which can then be read and written by a PC or Mac.

Which is Best?

For a beginning producer I believe the MPC1000 is a better choice with a great entry price and full set of features. For the experienced producer who is making money off of his craft, I would recommend the MPC2500. I would no longer recommend the MPC2000XL as storage and memory capacity have just advanced too far to recommend buying one. Even if equipped with the maximum possible options it is not as powerful, cost effective or as useful as the MPC1000.


Dume41 is the producer for the crew Several Active Minds. Their new album "Shogun Craftsman" will be made available for FREE download on September 1st from their site, http://www.samsquad.com.
Last edited by dume41 on Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By ReckOne Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:45 pm
dume41 wrote:Time Stretching
Time stretching is the ability to take a sample and stretch it out or shrink it down in length while maintaining the original pitch. The MPC1000 and 2500 can do this. Not the 2000XL.


I like this post and all, but next time get your facts straight!

The XL can timestretch!

That was one of the main advantages of the xl compared to the 2k classic.

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By firework Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:01 am
and the main one. SOUND/
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By Antonym Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:16 am
and biggest one: MAGICAL PROPERTIES
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By dume41 Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:29 pm
ReckOne wrote:
dume41 wrote:Time Stretching
Time stretching is the ability to take a sample and stretch it out or shrink it down in length while maintaining the original pitch. The MPC1000 and 2500 can do this. Not the 2000XL.


I like this post and all, but next time get your facts straight!

The XL can timestretch!

That was one of the main advantages of the xl compared to the 2k classic.


YES YES YES!!!

You are absolutely correct. My apologies everyone. This is why I posted this article here first. I'm writing a book and posting each chapter or section in different appropriate places on line.. knowing the communities will correct me if I slip.

I am here taking all suggestions for improving this article. Anyone who can think of comparisons I left out which should be included, your input is welcome. The book I'm writing isn't just on equipment, but the entire act of crafting and manufacturing an album. It's about time somebody gave the people the real info instead of keeping everything a secret.

Thanks

41
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By fasttrackpimp Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:54 pm
dume41 wrote:Storage

.... The MPC2000XL stores to... floppy disks!!?? Yes.. to floppy disks.. it would take about 1,388 floppy disks to equal the storage a single 2G compact flash card. In addition, floppy disks are very slow. MOst MPC2000XL users have then decided to add a ZIP drive to their system. These ZIP drives hold 100 megs of data, which is not bad. they are still much much slower than compact flash cards and it would still take 200 zip disks to hold the data in a single 2 gig compact flash card.



Again facts are not quite right here. The xl can have an internal cardreader installed and most have moved towards that instead of zips.
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By dume41 Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:16 am
fasttrackpimp wrote:
Again facts are not quite right here. The xl can have an internal cardreader installed and most have moved towards that instead of zips.


While it is true that you can install a reader, here I am discussing the box package. If that were the case I would feel compelled to insert the fact that it is very simple to slap, say an 80g hard drive in the 1000 and 2500. When I say it stores to floppy, ths is true. You can modify it of course... but Akai's own feature list lists the 2000xl as storing to floppy and the 2500 and 1000 as storing to CF.

dume41 SAM
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By dopedee Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:56 am
dume41 wrote:
fasttrackpimp wrote:
Again facts are not quite right here. The xl can have an internal cardreader installed and most have moved towards that instead of zips.


While it is true that you can install a reader, here I am discussing the box package. If that were the case I would feel compelled to insert the fact that it is very simple to slap, say an 80g hard drive in the 1000 and 2500. When I say it stores to floppy, ths is true. You can modify it of course... but Akai's own feature list lists the 2000xl as storing to floppy and the 2500 and 1000 as storing to CF.

dume41 SAM


What about mpc2000xl MCD ? Thats sold w/ a card reader right out of the box.
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By Lithion Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:41 am
Yea dude, some of these facts aren't exactly accurate. You should re-do this with relations to the now expanded JJOS
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By kebzer Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:46 pm
Also, you should note out that the 2000xl is still preffered by the hardcore heads because of its unique sound coloring and its swinging capability. The only reason I say this is because according to your comparison, the 2kxl is just a piece of junk nowadays. Well, that's not exactly true, since I own a 2kxl MCD for 5 months now and that machine is the true magic box of hiphop. The only thing superior to it is its' younger brothers' RAM capacity and faster processors.

Also, please note that with an MCD drive there are no storage issues. Last but not least, please note out the poor building quality of the stock 1000 pads and also the extremely long list of factory bugs on both 2500 and 1000 stock OS (praise JJ).

By moyphee Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:09 pm
Good intentions -Bad execution.

Too many wrong statements throughout.
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By dume41 Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:14 am
moyphee wrote:Good intentions -Bad execution.

Too many wrong statements throughout.



OK.. here we go.

1. This article has already been solicited and it's parameters are not transformable for me. I am not ALLOWED to talk about the MCD. The publisher has decided that the MPC2000XL, not the 2000, and not the MCD, is the most popular mpc now. Even over the 60. So that is where the comparison is.

2. Not mentioning MCD facts does not constitute 'wrong information' as it is not being compared. If I don't mention say the SP606, am I giving out incorrect information?

3. Articles must necessarily be limited in scope and I am not commissioned to compare EVERY MPC ever made.

4. I may like the swing and coloration of a 2000xl better personally but that part is subjective and immeasurable. That is why it is called a "Straight feature comparison".. unfortunately the only features that can be compared directly, without my personal prejudice, are the things that are officially listed by akai as the feature set.

Now that being said, does anyone have constructive information about what they think other producers, who are just starting out, might be curious about in the feature comparison?

Dume41 SAM
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By dume41 Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:19 am
kebzer wrote:
Also, please note that with an MCD drive there are no storage issues. Last but not least, please note out the poor building quality of the stock 1000 pads and also the extremely long list of factory bugs on both 2500 and 1000 stock OS (praise JJ).


This is a very good point. Thanks Kebzer. The build quality of the 1000 pads is something a LOT of people, myself included, have experienced first hand.. even from brand new 1000's. I've owned three different 1000's and ALL of them have lost pad sensitivity. And I don't bang them.

The OS bugs are a serious issue too, especially since I am not allowed to compare with the JJ OS.

This is good. I am definitely inserting this. If nothing else, posting to the forum was worth this comment alone.

Dume41
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By EducatedHands Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:12 am
i heard the mcd has a lot of hickups. and i disagree with your comment on the 1k not being for professionals... just you guys wait, one day i'll be up there to prove you wrong, still rocking the 1k :twisted:

By zapp Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:59 pm
Last but not least, Wu-Tang and Wu-Tang ripp-offs are outdated...