Why do producer choose the older mpc models?

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Its 2009 now,
You can buy new mpc's with new functions, better memory, never used and you get warranty on the products. But why are people still choosing the older mpc's? Kanye use 2000xl, Dre, Swizz, use the 3000 and JB use the 4000.

What I'm, afraid of is that the older models may stop working and you need to fix it all the time.
There is no support for the older models either. So, why do the producers still using the older models?
Is it the sound? the old school design? or do they use it becuase the platinum producers using it?

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maybe cus thats what they started with and are familiar with and don't want to change
dunno

temetrepo wrote:maybe cus thats what they started with and are familiar with and don't want to change
dunno

and because its the basic thing u need to make a beat..all that new stuff is good but a 2000xl will get the job done aswell..these classic machines will do what u need them to so upgrading isnt really needed unless u really care about more memory and speed

if it aint broke dont fix it... also, maybe they are using the 2000 classic (random old model) because they already own it... using the 2500 (random new model) would require getting one. Also, it could be because they spent too much time setting their samples onto floppies and stuff so the whole new interface might require more work then they are brave enough to endure.

Okey, thank you for your answers.

What made you guys choose the new/old models?

I guy i saw said that the Mpc500/1000/2500 and the 5000 sounds really bad compared to the 2000xl and the others.
For those who has/have? the older products and the new ones, Is that really true?

Rahimian wrote:Okey, thank you for your answers.

What made you guys choose the new/old models?

I guy i saw said that the Mpc500/1000/2500 and the 5000 sounds really bad compared to the 2000xl and the others.
For those who has/have? the older products and the new ones, Is that really true?

Well you have to look at the context it was spoken in... for drums, some people like that rugged s900-950 sound, or mpc 60 sound... but that sounds great for some tracks but not so great in others.

Generally speaking, the better quality, the better.... if that makes sense.

Rahimian wrote:Okey, thank you for your answers.

What made you guys choose the new/old models?

I guy i saw said that the Mpc500/1000/2500 and the 5000 sounds really bad compared to the 2000xl and the others.
For those who has/have? the older products and the new ones, Is that really true?

I wouldn't say really bad. The sound is just different. The newer models sound cleaner and brighter. What goes in comes out.
With the 2000(xl) and the 3000(also 16bit 44.1khz), the samplers 'colour' the samples u record. Which can result in a warmer, more dominant sound compaired to the 1000/2500's

well, i use mpc1000 and didn't used old models.
Can't compare but looks like 1000 are bright
But if samples you put in sounds good, what goes out sounds good to.
With a little bit more of compression/saturation, very useful for live acts!

i had the classic 2000. i now own a s900, 2000xl, and the 2500. that was one of the first things i noticed. the 2000, 2000xl sounded warmer and the pads reacted a little different from 2500. the 2500 sounds cleaner, which in some cases you might be looking for. i'm gonna experiment with the 2500 and s900 combo. i think together that should be wild.

pakkman6 wrote:

temetrepo wrote:maybe cus thats what they started with and are familiar with and don't want to change
dunno

and because its the basic thing u need to make a beat..all that new stuff is good but a 2000xl will get the job done aswell..these classic machines will do what u need them to so upgrading isnt really needed unless u really care about more memory and speed

My partner and I were talking about the same thing the other day. We wondered why you only see older MP's in major studios. Some have 4000s and 2500s, but most use 2000s and 2000XLs. I hope that's not bad juju for me and my 1000.

I dont like most of the other techical stuff comin out today too. If you compare old 70s HiFi stuff with the stuff today....man that 70s stuff was just build so solid and many of the old tapedecks, receivers, amplifiers, turntables still play. If I buy a receiver today I bet it will be broken one day after the warranty.

So thats maybe another reason investing in some old stuff. Look at the first 1000s with those broken pads.

peace

Simplicity, creativity and feel. I had used the 1000 for the past 6 years with recently with JJOS2 but in the past few weeks i have purchased a 2000xl and love it and the 1000 has not been turned on. It has a lot less functions also a lot less production power as it is does not have the effects upgrade but it makes you more creative in what you do as there is no easy way out. Also for some reason i find the drums turn out better.

For those who grew up using a specific machine, it's pure familiarity. There's an interview with Primo I watched recently where he said, hey -- I use the 60 but that's because I grew up with that and I feel comfortable with it.

Like someone else mentioned there is a sound aspect to it when you have pure technical differences, like 12-bit vs. 16-bit, analog vs. digital filters, etc.

There's workflow issues as well. You might really like the simplicity of an SP12. You might not need extra features. At that point it comes down to a UI decision.

Other than that, it's old school nostalgia and a lot of bullshit. Sorry. All this, "it sounds warmer" shit is pure conjecture. How you EQ, compress, and tweak shit makes it sound however you want. A lot of people say, "Hey, so and so has the 3000 -- I need that shit too!;" "Dilla used the SP-303, I need to get one too!"

Look I own a lot of old school machines, like the Oberheim DX and Drumulator. I'm not going to say something like, "Oh, it just sounds doper than using samples of those machines on the MPC." That's bullshit. I want those machines for nostalgia and because some of my favorite records were made with them. No need to get it twisted.

it doesnt necessary have to be about the interface problems, thats actualy easy to fix, I think it's more like people beeing used to working with theire machines. like there's this guy, where I live, who most ppl have the opinion that is the best producer in my country (I think that to) and he started with a mpc 2000 xl(well he started with a boss rythm maxine, but we r talking about mpc), that some1 gave I'm because they dind't know how to use it. he develepd is "producing skills" and know is the best producer here , and akai portugal gave him a mpc 2500(untill then he didn't use a computer), he uses the mpc 2500 because it has computer conection, more stuff, I don´t know. but he uses it.
bu he also uses his 2k xl, you would expect him to not use his 2k xl no more cause he has got a better one, but he kept it and uses it and still makes great beats, so I d't think is about interface (he actualy has a card reader in the mpc2k xl) or the fact that he would have to buy another mpc(also producers like kanye, and such don't lack money) is like an habit thing. also the sound of the sampler is diferent from the nukai mpc's to the old ones