Why should I choose the MPC 5000 over the Roland MV8800

Askia Shaheed wrote:MPCs are my soul:


MPCs have two MIDI inputs...

Oh, is that how you got your fantom hooked up to the mpc? I should have posted this question in the noob section.

mr_debauch wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:MPCs are my soul:


MPCs have two MIDI inputs...

Oh, is that how you got your fantom hooked up to the mpc? I should have posted this question in the noob section.

I completely revamped my preproduction set-up in May 2008. The MPC 5000 and Fantom G is everything I need and more. What one machine lacks, the other fills in that void.

Anyway...what I am doing has been done for years. The MPC for sampling, drums, and sequencing; the Fantom G for sound design (on a level no MPC or MV can do) and MIDI controller.

Askia Shaheed wrote: the Fantom G for sound design (on a level no MPC or MV can do)

what is the level you speaking of

konc3pt wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote: the Fantom G for sound design (on a level no MPC or MV can do)

what is the level you speaking of

We will be talking for hours.....

In simple terms, like the MPC 4000 and other MPCs, the Fantom G has your sample assign menu, filter envelopes, amp envelopes, pitch envelopes, LFO, keyrange, velocity range, etc. But it also has a Pro Edit Mode that expands each of these parameters giving you a level of control of the sound that is not possible with an MPC or MV. I started counted the additional parameters that the Fantom G has.....but stopped after I got to over 100. The Fantom G is a full blown synth/Rompler so it is not suprising it has this level of control of sound.

Why should someone choose a 5K over the MV? Because you can actually add a program/patch to each track (up to 64) not be limited to 16 like the MV. (Even the MPC 1000 gives you more than 16).

Even if this is the case the limits on memory and polyphony negate any real world benefit.

Why not the V-synth XT and a MIDI controller with your MPC5000?

Askia Shaheed wrote:

konc3pt wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote: the Fantom G for sound design (on a level no MPC or MV can do)

what is the level you speaking of

We will be talking for hours.....

In simple terms, like the MPC 4000 and other MPCs, the Fantom G has your sample assign menu, filter envelopes, amp envelopes, pitch envelopes, LFO, keyrange, velocity range, etc. But it also has a Pro Edit Mode that expands each of these parameters giving you a level of control of the sound that is not possible with an MPC or MV. I started counted the additional parameters that the Fantom G has.....but stopped after I got to over 100. The Fantom G is a full blown synth/Rompler so it is not suprising it has this level of control of sound.

moyphee wrote:

Why should someone choose a 5K over the MV? Because you can actually add a program/patch to each track (up to 64) not be limited to 16 like the MV. (Even the MPC 1000 gives you more than 16).

Even if this is the case the limits on memory and polyphony negate any real world benefit.

The MV has the same polypony as the 5K....and 192MB of memory for the 5K is plenty. But neither is an issuewhen you have 8 hard disk r=tracks and 64 channels of external MIDI control...which the MV doesn't have.

mjames4208 wrote:Why not the V-synth XT and a MIDI controller with your MPC5000?

The V-synth XT is a 24 voice 16 part synth that doesn't offer the same type of sound set as the Fantom G. The Fantom G is also a complete workstation.

32 channels is more than enough. I haven't much music that has 32 different instrument going in a single song regarding hip or dance related. In fact most don't even have 16 instruments. Sample based hiphop has even less in most cases.

if i'm doing a big band arrangement ( when i'm bored, of course ) trumpet 1, trumpet 2, trumpet 3, and trumpet 4 and detune them, same with trombones, alto sax 1, alto sax 2, tenor sax 1, tenor sax 2, and a baritone, I do the same thing with strings, violin 1, violin 2, viola 1, viola 2, and detune them, pizzacato's, bass, piano..etc.
depending on how foolish i'm feeling i'd use 32... a lot of my parts may be in unison, but i like for my strings to sound like a real orchestra.
thats one of the beautiful things about having 4 midi outs... its like having a self contained patchbay. The MV's only have 2 Midi outs with an option for a 3rd for 299.00, if i remember correctly.

moyphee wrote:32 channels is more than enough. I haven't much music that has 32 different instrument going in a single song regarding hip or dance related. In fact most don't even have 16 instruments. Sample based hiphop has even less in most cases.

In another thread, you were just talking about how you can make 608 copies of a sound in your MV and tweak them non-destructively and make them all unique to create a song. You went on to say that it is far outside the capability of the 5000. Now you are implying 32 or even 16 instruments is overkill?

You could at least keep the nonsense in context.

moyphee wrote:You could at least keep the nonsense in context.

Naw..you just clowned yourself. You are here talking about excessive functions because it is an MPC that is unavailable in an MV. But in other threads, you are bragging about the MVs ability to make 608 copies of samples in a way an MPC can't. Excess is excess...what's good for the goose is good for the.....well, you finish the saying

This is my final response in this thread and many others. /.../ I don't take any of this personal. If you don't like a specific MPC or MV..fine, than use what you have, stop complaining, and make some music...which many of you don't do or scared to showcase it...which is your right to do so of course. I am out....

please, please, PLEAAAAASE, go out Jahrome .

am gonna try mv 8800 after all and am gonna come back and write about it,and tell yall ****** who lies and who's not.iight

I am/was telling the truth....

Plus the reasons for getting an MPC 5000 has just been increased:
http://www.akaipro.com/spotmpcos2.