should i get a maschine for $350 or a mpc 1000 for $450?

if u like hitting pads cause its fun get the 2k. if u want more creative capabilities get the maschine

If you dont own a single piece of music gear.. get the 1000 because it works out the box with nothing beyond a set of ipod earbuds..

if you got or are planning on investing in an audio interface and dont mind using the computer.. get maschine

if you like the vibe of older gear, you like something built like an H1 hummer.. and you want guaranteed fun.. get the 2000.

the thing is, you should be getting that audio interface anyways at some point.. so if you got nothing at all then get that 1000 just so you dont need to wait while you save up for it.. start building a beat catalog now.. or even the 2000 would do that for you.. it will also help you learn the basics with out distractions and it will for sure get the beat making fundamentals down which will prepare you for a tool like the maschine and DAW music project making.

some day you will own all 3 of those products and you will know how to fit them in on your work flow.

emptysea wrote:No one said anything about Maschine not needing to be connected to a computer. Duh.

I'd keep that tone in check. Given the level of contempt shown to you by various members (as a basic search would show) you're not really in any sort of position to put yourself forward as some shining light.

I disagree. Sorry but Maschine is definitely the "best of both worlds" when it comes to being "computer friendly" and having a hardware-based hands-on workflow.

As for "MPC sound", other than the MPC60 (which Maschine models in its vintage sampling mode due to its 12bit nature), it's a common myth based on ignorance. There's really not much to the cheap converters in those other MPCs.

Yeah I can't argue with that, from what Ive heard the Maschine can emulate drum machines & I guess you can say that truly is the best of both worlds but its no MPC. Now how precise does the Maschine really emulate an old drum machine or even the newer models? Close enough is cool but personally I think I rather have the real thing. That's preference though, I'm not knockin the Maschine cuss I truly find that thing beast! and I'm positive that's the direction everything is going, but I just love the authentic MPC sound.

Tha_Skywalker wrote:Now how precise does the Maschine really emulate an old drum machine or even the newer models? Close enough is cool but personally I think I rather have the real thing.

Have you tried Maschine's vintage sampling mode? Those who own both SP1200/MPC60 and Maschine say that it's very accurate:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post681970
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post735234
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post649394

The SP1200/MPC60 vintage sampling mode in Maschine is based on actual component modelling even down to details like the aliasing effect from the tuning of the sample and the different filters on the outputs of the SP 1200. Both emulations trace the exact signal flow through the actual machines including the filters and the A/D converters. It's not some cheap bit crusher effect that you just turn on/off. They're meant to be used just like how the original machines were used, like pitching down just as you do on the SP1200 to get that characteristic artifact.

To get the most realistic emulation, you can repitch (like back in the day when producers would record samples at 45 rpms instead on 33 rpms to squeeze a few more seconds out of the SP then pitch it down to the original speed) and set every sound in a group in Maschine to SP1200, polyphony to 1, envelope to One-Shot, and use a maximum of 2.5 seconds' worth of sample material in mono. And don't forget the output filter settings. Ch3, 4, 5, 6 of the SP1200 are Lo to Hi respectively on the emulation, Channels 7&8 are "no filter".

Word!????? Thats Dope!!
Honesty I haven't gotten the chance to test one out yet.
Good looks on the info though, makes me want to go out & buy one haha

Tha_Skywalker wrote:Good looks on the info though, makes me want to go out & buy one haha

That was his intention.

You need to ask yourself why someone at MPC-forums actively promotes a rival product.

Why is he even here when NI have forums of their own where he could talk about it all day?

Hopefully he'll sit back and let a thread take it's natural course for once.

Let us know which piece you choose and why.

if you get a second-hand Maschine make sure you get the serial number from the seller, or you won't be able to run the software, and all you'll have is an expensive paperweight

clint246clint wrote:You need to ask yourself why someone at MPC-forums actively promotes a rival product.

Rival product? I thought they were "two completely different products" according to some people here.

clint246clint > some people

In the mean time the OP bounced......

Tha_Skywalker wrote:Why is he even here when NI have forums of their own where he could talk about it all day?

I was actually wondering why he was pushing the Maschine so much. I don't neglect new information though, always like learning new things. Its kool to know that its emulates an Sp1200 though. I found that kinda neat, now to find out how accurate it emulates the SP, I guess ill be the judge of that.

After many years with daws, and having cut my teeth 5 years ago on an MPC 500, I have recently become a complete fan of the MPC 1000. It is a power house, and someday, will be an absolute classic in my opinion.

if the 1000 has the upgraded pads, get it. if not, go w/ the maschine.

1000 + jjos