What advantages does the Mpc Ren offer over Maschine

The number one advantage MPC has over Maschine is:

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Coz wrote:

InspectahEX wrote:after the next 2 updates the Ren is leaving the maschine in the dust, no joke

It's only been 5 minutes since you wanted to "punch every Akai employee in the face", so don't speak too soon!

Yeah well that was before they announced they are adding almost every feature I wanted, this is a big update, finally the Ren will be a beast

DJ Hellfire wrote:

emptysea wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:MPC has a much better sequencer feel with the quantize on.

"much better" is meaningless as it is entirely subjective. MPC is a much simpler sequencer when it comes to things like swing and quantize. What Hellfire really means here though is that as a long time MPC user, he feels more familiar with it. Anyway, you know you're a MPC fanboy when you'd consider the Ren to be "much better" with all of its bugs, constant crashes, and serious limitations.

C'mon, don't even start this goofy shit in dudes thread! You don't need to go picking through everyone's post and disagreeing with them. Just answer the original question and STFU! Simple as that!

And the Ren is much better with the quantize on because it doesn't quantize the notes as you play them like Maschine does. The MPC only applies quantize AFTER the recorded notes loop. On Maschine, if you try to play loose with quantize on, the software tries to quantize the notes as you hit the pads and it **** your timing all up! The only way to get around this on Maschine is to turn 'quantize in record' off and manually quantize your notes after you record them, and it's even worse if you have swing applied to the pad (which is a major disadvantage of real time swing IMO)! Not a great workflow for people that sequence with the quantize turned on, like I do!

And it's funny how you take me saying one aspect of the MPC is much better as meaning the MPC is completely much better! So quick to chase a debate you can't even comprehend what you're reading! **** lame!

yo hellfire, did you know in maschines preferences you have the option to have the quantize on just the record, or also on play/record.. maybe try just having it on record..that messed me up at first too, it would quantize what i was trying to play..

When I first got a glimpse of the Ren, I critiqued every aspect of it. I came up with a list of all the features I would want in an MPC based upon my experience with multiple samplers to include every MPC model, MV-8800, Recycle, and even Maschine.

With the exception of being a more mature product (64 bit, stability), there is no specific Maschine function I feel that is needed in the Ren.

emptysea wrote:

KevWestBeats wrote:The thing about the Ren that I like is that it has all that hardware onboard plus a mixer in the software which means unless I am doing some heavy audio tasks I will be able to keep it all or at least mostly all in the Ren itself.

What gave you that impression? Because the Ren software has vertical faders GUI? You can keep it all in Maschine including mixing.

KevWestBeats wrote:Then we have Maschine I like the price but I hate that it very much so needs a DAW to get your work done.

Not true. A lot of Maschine users get work done by doing it all within Maschine in standalone mode. Sure, for mixing/mastering, it makes more sense to bring it into a DAW to finish it up. Same goes for Ren. Maschine is much better when it comes to options for exporting to a DAW.

How would one mix in Maschine? I haven't seen anything outside of some limited bussing in Maschine but the mixer window in the Mpc was a big plus for me so that I wouldn't have to export and drop the audio into Live or Reason. The more I think about it though the more likely I will use either one as a vst anyway.

Danny wrote:can't tell you about machine

but live 9 is coming out soon with loads of extra features and push.

addictive drums runs in the ren software but you cannot drop and any of the midi
files like you can in live.

to me live is by the most creative daw out there although i have started to
use studio one which has some very unique features and is a cross between logic,
cubase and live worth checking out.

the akai thing is really the sequencer if your not sampling then grab up cheap 1000
or 2500 with jjos (i wont suggest 2000 cause the work flow would be slower)
map it to live drum racks midi your vsts etc bang you got the akai sequencer
running into live just press record.

the ren software as a daw is in its infant stage so it would be a significant step backwards from live if you looking for a one-stop shop this ain't it.
although thats not stopped people making some greats beats.

if its still eating at you maybe the studio might be the best solution as it less of an investment and if your not sampling much then that may be the best route.

this my advice on it with my limited knowledge

Mpc sequencing is amazing and I agree that its the best part of a Mpc. I own a 2000 though its been broken for a while. I remember the workflow and I miss that aspect of it when it comes to creating more so than sampling. I used the 2000 with a EPS classic and it was great for when I was sampling but these days sampling doesn't appeal to me the way it used to. Its a great art form don't get me wrong I am not anti sampling at all its just not how I am choosing to create these days.

foge1 wrote:Entirely personal I own both
Mpc likes:
Sample layering
Mpc seq
Step seq
Huge pad banks
Keygrp sampling
Filter selection is huge.
Qlink integration is promising and will hopefully be improved.
Incredible hardware latency.
Easy to add vst effects

Dislikes :
Too much this is the mpc way when there's a quicker easier way.
E.g non destructive chopping on the maschine inside a program's is so easy.
The mpc loves menus and button pressing. The knob resolution is often badly implemented.
Pads not as sensitive as maschine
Copy protection
Lack of Hardware waveform zooming.
Poor browser

Maschine
Likes
Super sensitive pads
Control resolution is ergonomic ally really well designed and implemented
Sample duplication across pads super fast
Super fast non destructive chop this is the most ergonomic way in any sampler in my opinion.
Hardware zoom
N I effects sound really good

Dislikes
Not quite an mpc seq
Only 16 samples per grp. That's a big dislike !
Sample layering is a total pain
Pain to use send effects

Have happily used both to create finished tracks. At the moment I love the mpc seq but would much rather edit samples on the maschine.
Either is gonna be good
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Thank you that helps a lot and is exactly what I was looking for.

InspectahEX wrote:after the next 2 updates the Ren is leaving the maschine in the dust, no joke

why's that? from both sides what I have gathered is preference but mostly great software vs a great controller that needs some software updates to live up to its potential. I have asked some maschine guys a similar question.

Thanks to everyone who replied I am taking all things into consideration. I plan to commit to whatever I choose to get for a while which is why I am probably asking so many silly noob questions. Plus as I think I mentioned in another thread my GC will not put out a demo for the Ren. They have flat out refused and said go play on their Mpc 5000 demo if you want to know about Mpcs or go try our Maschine demo. I am also trying to find more info about Push but Ableton seems to be stuck on that you can step sequence and play chromatic notes on it. Things that I really don't care about lol.

its real shame you can't demo the ren at that place
well let us know what you get
i'm sure it will make another lively thread

Danny wrote:its real shame you can't demo the ren at that place
well let us know what you get
i'm sure it will make another lively thread

Yeah it is a shame. Right now though I am and have been leaning towards more so maschine. The Mpc looks great but I am not sure how it will intergrate with the rest of my workflow as of right now and that is what concerns me the most. YouTube and forums only go so far and I don't think Push will intergrate as well with Live as Ableton is promoting because if it did they would have mentioned it. My workflow will pretty much consists of Live, Reason and Mpc/Maschine. I miss the aspect of working on a drum machine and MPDs and Kong/Drum Racks regardless of how powerful they are just don't cut it for the hands on aspect of programming drums.

KevWestBeats wrote:

Danny wrote:its real shame you can't demo the ren at that place
well let us know what you get
i'm sure it will make another lively thread

Yeah it is a shame. Right now though I am and have been leaning towards more so maschine. The Mpc looks great but I am not sure how it will intergrate with the rest of my workflow as of right now and that is what concerns me the most. YouTube and forums only go so far and I don't think Push will intergrate as well with Live as Ableton is promoting because if it did they would have mentioned it. My workflow will pretty much consists of Live, Reason and Mpc/Maschine. I miss the aspect of working on a drum machine and MPDs and Kong/Drum Racks regardless of how powerful they are just don't cut it for the hands on aspect of programming drums.

If it's Live+Reason with either the Ren or Maschine (as a VST in Live you mentioned), Maschine's controller mode might be a big plus. It takes a little while to make templates (NI has a solid Ableton one though). It's nice to toggle only one MIDI controller for all three apps. (I use Maschine with Live and Reason with rewire, still have my hardware MPC's).

NI could of had this dead and buried ages ago if the just straight out just copied the mpc as close as legally possible. then added all their extra bells and whistles. i know some say they probably did but they didn't quite nail it that's why got a this back and forth all the time.

yeah if you got doubts its impossible dispels them without having a really good test
drive of the renaissance.

there is one answer buy both ! twice as much fun

I'm not a fan of software. I never used the maschine but not being able to have different swing settings per track and drum layering is a deal breaker. The Ren has bugs that make it hard to enjoy. I think the Ren will improve and be worth purchasing after the bug fixes. I still use my MPC 2000xl and MV 8800 and don't plan selling them cause they work. The Ren will sit quiet in studio until updates.

Hardware, build quality on ren I prefer over my maschine. Much of the mpc software as well, dedicated buttons, knobs. Though there are things Maschine has better, such as midi drag audio bounce drag,more outputs etc. these are things, akai can add.

I own both, and currently maschine is more stable, but akai can fix there software, with enough testing.

Akai needs public beta to make it stable imo.