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By alexrock23 Tue May 25, 2010 9:04 am
The 2000 XL definitely has something about it in upper midrange, which the 2500 The 2000 XL can cut through a mix like a razor, especially on percussion. The 4000 has the cleanest and most neutral sound. The 2500 sound engine are all identical, a very generic sound.
By robtheviking Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:53 am
I've tried the 2500 in stores several times, and the drums always sound a bit more dull, and less punchy. there isn't as much power in the sound engine. things seem to mush together similar to how they do on a software daw, and as a result nothing cuts though.

I've used a 2000 for 13 years, and the sound has always hit nicely. the sounds are clear and punchy, with more lo end power. overall there is a stronger clarity and presence to each sound.

When the 2000xl came out, it still sounded the same as the 2000, but the jog wheel was replaced with a big wheel, with a garbage feel. the absence of the jog wheel really slowed down the process of selecting numerical parts for chopping etc. instead you had the option of using the slider when chopping. I'm surprised that Akai continued to use those new wheels on the newer models, in my opinion it just adds to the overall cheap feel and sound in comparison to the older units.

That being said, I've used the mpc 5000 a few times, and i was impressed with how the beats turned out.
I guess the real improvements i noticed were the filters (added hipass), a higher resolution sequencer, quicker and easier saving to disk functions, a larger screen, and much more stable and reliable clock (recording tracks one by one into logic did not require any editing as everything lined up perfectly). I noticed the end result actually had a nice rounded feel to it, not quite the same as the 2000, but still great in its own way.


At any rate, as far as sonic power goes, any mpc will shine over any daw, so you really cant go wrong with any model
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By Macaiah Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:13 am
robtheviking wrote:much more stable and reliable clock (recording tracks one by one into logic did not require any editing as everything lined up perfectly).


Never had a problem with my 2KXL clock functionality in Logic. I record my tracks one by one through the stereo outs (I have the 8 outs but prefer the sound through the stereo outs) and I have never had to edit my tracks once recorded into the DAW. :mrgreen:
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By mr_debauch Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:24 pm
robtheviking wrote:I've tried the 2500 in stores several times, and the drums always sound a bit more dull, and less punchy. there isn't as much power in the sound engine.


well did they have a 2500 hooked up the the same monitor setup as the 2000? because that is more likely the difference you are hearing.

things seem to mush together similar to how they do on a software daw, and as a result nothing cuts though.


What the hell does that even mean? it only sounds that way if you make it sound that way on a daw... if you mix properly it sounds like it was mixed properly. Not to mention "the way it sounds like on a daw" is highly dependent on your monitor setup and your sound card.... the mpc's outputs are not the same as your integrated soundcard's outputs.
By kurtas Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:40 am
What about the difference in swing of 2000xl and 2500.
When I hear a beat made on 2000xl, I hear the drums are way more better to listen than any 2500 I heard.(I don't mean the quality of the sound, but the timing, it sound like snare is a few ms later than it should be.
I don't know how it's done, or if its even possible...

I'm deciding between 2000xl and 2500 (with jj), but the swing, or whatever it is, of a 2000xl's drums is still pushing me to that 2kxl.
Any1 can confirm that ?

(sorry for my English)
By CoinUp! Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:13 am
kurtas wrote:What about the difference in swing of 2000xl and 2500.
When I hear a beat made on 2000xl, I hear the drums are way more better to listen than any 2500 I heard.(I don't mean the quality of the sound, but the timing, it sound like snare is a few ms later than it should be.



I bet if you did a blind test you wouldn't even notice/hear the difference..............if there is a difference.................
By kurtas Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:45 pm
I would like to ... hear same samples of kick drum hi hat played on 2kxl and 2500... and as you said hear them "blind"... so far found no1 that could do it
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By mr_debauch Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:27 pm
kurtas wrote:I would like to ... hear same samples of kick drum hi hat played on 2kxl and 2500... and as you said hear them "blind"... so far found no1 that could do it



Why dont you send a message to DJ hellfire... he has both and has been a long time user of both.


then grab a set of headphones and try both with the same headphones.


If you have to do a blind test because you cant really tell then you are **** nit picking at such small details and I would suspect that you already know what the correct choice is if you have to close your eyes to give an unbiased opinion.
By kurtas Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:58 pm
mr_debauch wrote:
kurtas wrote:I would like to ... hear same samples of kick drum hi hat played on 2kxl and 2500... and as you said hear them "blind"... so far found no1 that could do it



Why dont you send a message to DJ hellfire... he has both and has been a long time user of both.


then grab a set of headphones and try both with the same headphones.


If you have to do a blind test because you cant really tell then you are **** nit picking at such small details and I would suspect that you already know what the correct choice is if you have to close your eyes to give an unbiased opinion.


Yes I have to, bcs Im just talking about DRUMS not other functionality, and I hear difference in drums quantize/swing/groove w/e it is.
I know 2500 with jj os is way better.
But it is possilbe I will get both(like that dj hellfire)
Thanks for help.
peace
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By mr_debauch Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:38 pm
kurtas wrote:
mr_debauch wrote:
kurtas wrote:I would like to ... hear same samples of kick drum hi hat played on 2kxl and 2500... and as you said hear them "blind"... so far found no1 that could do it



Why dont you send a message to DJ hellfire... he has both and has been a long time user of both.


then grab a set of headphones and try both with the same headphones.


If you have to do a blind test because you cant really tell then you are **** nit picking at such small details and I would suspect that you already know what the correct choice is if you have to close your eyes to give an unbiased opinion.


Yes I have to, bcs Im just talking about DRUMS not other functionality, and I hear difference in drums quantize/swing/groove w/e it is.
I know 2500 with jj os is way better.
But it is possilbe I will get both(like that dj hellfire)
Thanks for help.
peace



you want hard hitting drums, groove, and all that.... why wouldn't you look at the models people claim have the best swing and best sound? (aka mpc 60 or mpc 3000)

because honestly the 2000xl is not different enough sounding from the 2500 cause even you cant tell which is which unless you're blindfolded.
By kurtas Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:16 am
Just heard some MPC 3000's and 60's and I have to say they are similiar to 2000xl... 60 had a little bit more "full" kick drum, but that ... FEEL of drums ... was the same.
And since 60's and 3000's goes on ebay for over 1500$, they are not for me...

The more and more am I looking over these all vids on yt, I guess I can't have both in one machine, Or good drums (2000xl) or all other (MPC 2500).