Askia Shaheed wrote:Sovereign wrote:Like it was ever a fair fight.
The dust has settled the 5k hype can't change the fact that it is what it is.
I still can't understand way any of us who truly understand the straight forward nature of the 4k still bother trying to explain it's advantages to people who simply refuse to hear the facts.
The 5k was designed to be better than the 2500 and that it is, but it was never designed to do what the 4k does.
What was the 4K designed to do that is extra special? I feel like the MPC 4000 was hyped and didn't deliver completely. MPCs are known for their workflow. The MPC 4000 is a little cumbersome. For example...take a look at how JJ implemented keygroups with the 1K/2.5K...simple and straight forward. The 4Ks process is not as streamlined. I hope Akai implements keygroups in the future because it appears to be its #1 shortcoming based upon forum feedback. But if added, I would prefer a more streamlined approach like JJ and not the 4K.
Now taking a look at the 4Ks specs, nothing really stands out....not at least for the core group of people that use MPCs. Things like maximum events, number of sequences, number of tracks, number of songs, SMPTE, etc are the last things most people are looking at when they are buying these drum machines. See all the feature request threads here as a testament or look at the MV 8800's key features that are unavailable in MPCs. Additionally, although the 4K is still powerful, it still loses to the 5K when it comes to effects, onboard synth, filters, audio tracks. swing parameters, Chop Shop, Patched phrase, automation, number of standard analog/digital outputs, q-links, mixing down songs, CD recording, file storage. I am started to feel as if the MPC 4K is underpowered.
OK let's get a couple of things straight.
-There is nothing about the 4k that prevents it from being used EXACTLY like the other more simplistic MPC. The problem was that people saw the other aspects and wanted to use them only to realize that they couldn't so they tried to say it was more complicated.
The simple MPC functions are just as straight forward as ever.
-Jahrome ALL the statements you have ever made about the 4k here and the MV over at the Nation prove you didn't understand either machine deeply.
You reply to this previously was that it was a long time ago.
If that was in fact the case then you had an early 4k OS and an early MV OS, which means you never used the machines in the functional state.
That kill most of your comparisons right there.
-The Chop Shop on the 5k does not work and the Patch Phrase is a joke
-You actually want to see the synth on the 5k as desirable? It is only because it's free not because it great, don't lie to yourself.
-The filters on the 5k are better than the filters on the 4k? Don't see that one you must have a golden edition 5k because the one we have doesn't have them.
-More Q-Links would mean something if they had better implementation.
-Audio Tracks??? With 512 memory and the way you can structure and manipulate your samples, why would you need Audio Tracks on the 4k?
Audio Tracks on the 4k is just like using Audio tracks on the ASR-10.
-CD recording, so I want torecord a CD in the 4k, 5k or even MV? I don't think so.
-File storage? Totally confused on this one since the 4k has SCSI, AK-SYS w/ USB, plus the ability to hook any type of USB storage device to the front USB and use it directly.
That means HD's, Card readers etc.
As I said people are simply refusing to hear the truth.
The more you know about the 4k the funnier it will always be when people defend the 5k.
