2k or 2kxl

so I've been looking at the mpc 2ks lately
Just wondering wats the difference between the two?
Which one came out first ? Just wondering cuz I'm thinking bout ditching the 1k or one of these. I ain't feelin the 1k pads or the JJos (both too expensive)
I just want a Big b*tch I can fuxk with no problems or gimmicks

XL is the better machine, more features, better computer support, can upgrade the internal disk, 4 programs available at a time etc.

the XL is basically a 2000 ... but with better features.

some of those features:

-the xl has time stretching, though it is slow and not very good compared to computers
-the 2000xl can read folders on cards etc... this is very important and one of the biggest additions to the mpc line that was not previously available... especially when:
-the 2000xl has an IDE/ATAPI port which makes it cheap and easy to install a CF reader, instead of having to try and find a 100+ dollar scsi cf adapter
-the 2000xl has dedicated buttons for changing pad banks.. now you no longer need to push the one button four times to get to bank D..
-the 2000xl has a track mute and solo screen which allows for easier and better performing track mutes and solos for live use... it is also visually easier to see what is muted and what isn't all one one screen
-the 2000xl has a cool jog wheel feature that accelerates the longer you spin it, so when you are trimming samples, it's like it has an automatic transmission that changes to a higher gear if that makes sense... the 2000classic does have the better jog wheel and you use the outside part of it to switch digits for going faster.
-the 2000xl has a feature in trim mode where you hold shift and slide the NV fader/slider to move the cursor quickly to a general area of the waveform and you can use the jog wheel to do all the fine tuning.
-the 2000xl is easier to get into the machine to do addons and maintenance because you only need to take off the bottom plate instead of removing the top casing and dismantling the pad assembly.
-tilt screen makes for better viewing angles and apparently the screens last longer because it is easier for heat to escape... I dont know how true that is though.
-the 2000xl doesn't need a boot disk, the 2000 classic does... not a big deal though
-the xl came out in like 2000 or 2001 or something like that... the 2000classic came out in 97..
-the 2000xl has resampling, but not the kind you have in other machines.. in the xl it allows you to change the sample to a different bitrate. this is as slow as the time stretch (you click "do it" before work, and it might be done when you get home)


there may be more things... but I cant think of them off the top of my head right now... but basically they are the same thing with the same workflow. I like both, though for some reason I prefer the 2000 classic... there is no real reason for that, and I am probably the only person on the forum who does.

check here for more info and interesting stuff
http://www.mpc2000xl.com/

Thanks man appreciate the in
That 2k sounds good
Whatchyall think is better the 1k or 2kxl

TBH, people on the XL forum here are going to tend to recommend the XL over a 1000. In the end, it's really down to the way you want to work and the available funds. Working with older MPCs requires a different workflow in respect to file management and a few other areas.

The 1000 is a great machine, but if you don't like the pads, you can always buy the pad upgrade. That sounds like the cheapest option. And you don't have to use the JJ OS.

I'm going to move this to the 'Comparison' forum, as it seems more suited. Remember, there's alot of info already here comparing all MPCs to each other, so have a good look around.

the 1000 has more features than the 2000/2000xl.. it has the JJOS which has newer features and still gets expanded... the 2000/xl does not .. what you get is what you get. Yeah the 2000/xl is built better (except for the screen) but I suggest you only get one of those older machines if you like them... not to improve anything feature wise.

I am guessing you will need to try one to set your own opinion... so how about you just grab a 2000 on the cheap without selling the 1000.... you can get a 2000 for 200 bucks.

i prefer the classic over the xl.

it has a slightly simpler operating system, that speeds up (imo!) workflow over the xl.

ok the xl can switch between 4 programs (great for 'live' performance) , but i HATE that extra f-button push to get into the program screen, and i don't like the way you have to press stop to un-16 level it.

ok the xl can support folders, but this is no real advantage to me because i meticulously name everything and have pretty rock solid file management.

the classic jog-wheel is one of the best features on any MPC -ever! it adds an extra dimension of speed when chopping that is unparalleled in ANY music making machine/piece of software-hardware combo thing.

unfortunately it is much more difficult to replace the floppy with a card reader in a classic over the XL

oh, and WATCH OUT FOR THOSE SCREEEEEEEENS, mwhahahahahahahaaaa!

disco technique wrote:i prefer the classic over the xl.

it has a slightly simpler operating system, that speeds up (imo!) workflow over the xl.

ok the xl can switch between 4 programs (great for 'live' performance) , but i HATE that extra f-button push to get into the program screen
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OK, while I prefer XL (I used to own 2000 classics), I have to agree on this one. The navigation could've been streamlined.

disco technique wrote:ok the xl can support folders, but this is no real advantage to me because i meticulously name everything and have pretty rock solid file management.

Well, that's good for you, but the lack of directory support was really annoying to me, it makes kind of useless to use large data storage (think of 500MB folder without no folders.)
With 100MB zip disks or even floppy disk, folder is less important though.

disco technique wrote:the classic jog-wheel is one of the best features on any MPC -ever! it adds an extra dimension of speed when chopping that is unparalleled in ANY music making machine/piece of software-hardware combo thing.

unfortunately it is much more difficult to replace the floppy with a card reader in a classic over the XL

oh, and WATCH OUT FOR THOSE SCREEEEEEEENS, mwhahahahahahahaaaa!

The jog-wheel on 2000 classic is great, but I can live with XL's data wheel. I'm picky on that too, I hate rotary encoders with even hint of looseness(!) Fortunately the encoder on XL is very common parts, and I've bought bulk of them (they are less than 2 bucks each.) Of course you have to desolder & solder it though...

Also I didn't like the fact that LCD screen on 2000 classic is fixed, doen't tilt.

But other than that, Classic is great machine. If 2000 classic had folder support, IDE port, and tilt LCD screen, I would've definitely kept it.

D_One wrote:so I've been looking at the mpc 2ks lately
Just wondering wats the difference between the two?
Which one came out first ? Just wondering cuz I'm thinking bout ditching the 1k or one of these. I ain't feelin the 1k pads or the JJos (both too expensive)
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I didn't read the OP's post first. I'm not sure whether switching 2000 series FROM MPC-1000 is a good idea or not.
You'll like the pads on 2000, especially if you don't like the 1000's pads because of the size. (Do you have a newer designed drumpads on your MPC-1000?)
But even free version of JJOS is much more capable than 2000's OS.
I own 2000XL, so I think I'm biased toward 2000XL, but it's a fact. And remember 2000s are heavy! Well, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I recommend try out 2000 before committing it, if you can.

D_One wrote:I ain't feelin the JJos (too expensive)

What's wrong with JJ?

There is a free version as well...

D_One wrote:so I've been looking at the mpc 2ks lately
Just wondering wats the difference between the two?
Which one came out first ? Just wondering cuz I'm thinking bout ditching the 1k or one of these. I ain't feelin the 1k pads or the JJos (both too expensive)
I just want a Big b*tch I can fuxk with no problems or gimmicks

2000XL has the OS loaded in the Flash ROM and you don't need to load it from a boot disk every time you turn it on like the 2000 Classic.

It has buttons for each sound bank. The Classic only has one.

The 2KXL has a tilt screen.

You can auto slice and It also has Zone Mode to better shape your chops, time stretching, also you can add color to the samples by digitally resampling them at different sample rates and you can choose from like 3 different processing speeds.

Now I don't know if the Classic came out with an OS update to add those features. Im not a big fan of the classic.

MPC-Tutor wrote:TBH, people on the XL forum here are going to tend to recommend the XL over a 1000. In the end, it's really down to the way you want to work and the available funds. Working with older MPCs requires a different workflow in respect to file management and a few other areas.

The 1000 is a great machine, but if you don't like the pads, you can always buy the pad upgrade. That sounds like the cheapest option. And you don't have to use the JJ OS.

I'm going to move this to the 'Comparison' forum, as it seems more suited. Remember, there's alot of info already here comparing all MPCs to each other, so have a good look around.

I think he might appreciate the JJOS when he gets his MPC 2000.

MPCWeapon1 wrote:2000XL has the OS loaded in the Flash ROM and you don't need to load it from a boot disk every time you turn it on like the 2000 Classic.
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Ohh, I totally forgot about that, I really hated that! Toggle bank buttons and no zonedit on 2000 Classic was totally fine with me, I feel that zone edit on XL is useless. It is easier to just make copy and trim the samples to make chops.

JVC wrote:

MPCWeapon1 wrote:2000XL has the OS loaded in the Flash ROM and you don't need to load it from a boot disk every time you turn it on like the 2000 Classic.
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Ohh, I totally forgot about that, I really hated that! Toggle bank buttons and no zonedit on 2000 Classic was totally fine with me, I feel that zone edit on XL is useless. It is easier to just make copy and trim the samples to make chops.

i haven't done this because I never cared enough to do it... but I figured putting the OS on every floppy disk as it's only a couple of kb in size... so wouldn't that load her up and load the program upon booting?

mr_debauch wrote:i haven't done this because I never cared enough to do it... but I figured putting the OS on every floppy disk as it's only a couple of kb in size... so wouldn't that load her up and load the program upon booting?

Yes, basically that's I was doing when I had 2000 classic (Zip disks instead of floppies though) but, it was annoying to me.