Another MV8000 vS MPC4000 thread, done proper hopefully?

Alright. I have a serious dilemma between mv8000 and mpc4000. I have the opportunity to buy both, both at great prices for their respective general price ranges.

Please when in responding don't use words like "ish" it makes you look unproffessional, and kinda skews the response. Also please no insulting based on ownership. I'm curious for an actual comparison.

About me and my uses: I've owned many drum machines, so i have a good amount of experience, and because of so i dont lean towards mpc or mv but here are some: Mpc60, mpc2k, 2kxl, 3000, 1000, studio 440, forat9000, sp1200, sp12t, linnsequencer, tr808, tr909, tr606,

I dont do hip hop. I do drum n bass, hardtek, speedcore and ambient(generaly i'm more interested in textures, and experimental sounds).

i've viewed al ot of demos, youtube and such. But all i hear is the most simple hip hop beats...and i wonder why the **** would you make such simple shit with such complex hardware? isn't the mpc3000 or mpc60 MUCH MUCH MUCh more suited for this?

and also please dont add the : It's all in the hands. YES this is true, but i'm going to a forum about technology to talk about the technology. I'm sure both could be great tools. but one might fit me better. And usually you'll have an easier time with certain pieces. and a more enjoyable time.

MV pros and cons i've seen:

Pros:
multitracking(how good is it? can you bounce midi sequenced sampled tracks t multitracking through resampling? can you change one of the tracks you recorded in multitrack to a sample?)

VGA screen...I guess I have no question with this, but Is it NECCESSARY? i hear many people say without the VGA the regular screen is just absolute shit is this true?

Cons:

Timing issues: are they real? some people seem to say that it's settings to change? But sometimes I've heard sometimes people say the same thing about software, and I've had obvious problems which were not linked to the user, but to the software itself.

The fact that it's Roland: I've always seen Roland as unproffessional Grooveboxes, anyone else? Is this a bad view? kind of underpowering their gear?

Slower Proccessor: how slow and annoying can it get? will it impede creativity?

MPC4000

ProS:

seemingly better construction: this true? from akais, i always have a view they'l last a whole shit load long, is this bad for the numark mpc?


MPC timing: does it have it? i've heard the mpc4000 lacks it, and is shit compared to 3000, or even 2500 ? is this a pro or c on i dunno

COnS:
NO VGA: how is the LCD though? do i really need it? I'm thinking with these ever more complex sequencers....it might b...


I think i missed a few.

but im curious about your thoughts. and please keep talk proffessional. when somone starts saying "yo dis ish be offf the hizzy" i start thinking the guys a **** waterhead.

I don't know if you've reviewed this or not. Just thought I'd steer you in the right direction. http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=67588

3001 wrote:but im curious about your thoughts. and please keep talk proffessional. when somone starts saying "yo dis ish be offf the hizzy" i start thinking the guys a **** waterhead.

Wow, you're **** retarted.

Yea i read that thread, but it seemed to be the whole MV fanboy vs MPC fanboy after a biT:o thanks though.

shupe, not really.

I"m thinking since mpc has been on the market longer than MV. chances are that ex-mpc heads convertered to MV's rather than the other way around. I think you'll have more luck over at mvnation or whatever they call themselves.

3001 wrote:
I dont do hip hop. I do drum n bass, hardtek, speedcore and ambient(generaly i'm more interested in textures, and experimental sounds). THE 4000 LICKS THE 3000 CLEAN FOR TIMING

MPC timing: does it have it? WHAT i've heard the mpc4000 lacks it WHAT, and is **** compared to 3000, or even 2500 ? is this a pro or c on i dunno DEPENDS ON YOUR STANDARDS of TIMING.

4000 vs 2500 is N/A

Well...

I decided on the mv8000. I played on an 8800( i know different, but i trie dto jsut pay attention to the montior, not the color screen), and the interface just seemed great. Although I did feel some of hte timing issues, I think that has to do with the nuances of the pads? it's not as fluid as MPC. instnatly triggering, it seems like there's a slight proccessor lag. But the whole thing seemed great.

Also the fact that it was $600 cheaper than mpc4000 used, i paid $900 w/vga upgrade... good deal, in person. I used that $600 to buy an xbox360 elite and cod4! heh:-) xbox+mv8000 > mpc4000;) I only played on a 4000 2 years ago I think. I remember it kinda being clinical in approach. But since it's the tops, i was curious..

and on the 2500 vs 4000, I think there is a possibility to compare the 2's timing's they have different proccessors, differnet pads, and different OS, they're of course gunna operate differently. I just heard from various producers(whove had tons of very famous releases), that they thought the 4k's timing was off, swore by the 3000 of course...heh:-) I dont think anything will compare to the 3000 though. amazing timing, amazing sound, and amazing work flow. I love that machine. probably love the mpc60 more. But i need more features, and a more all in 1 solution due to livin in nyc and having space concerns due to living not in da ghetto no more:|


but enough.

I always hated roland, but htis machine might convert me, its so inviting, and while using it at GC, i was able to really understand osme of it's workflow, seems really great.

it definately is a hard buy for an MPC lover. i loved MPCs up until the 1000/2500/500(i think they're absolute shit) kinda felt like something was missing...so guess time to go to another drum machine:-)

I guess no one cares, but at least my deciding factor...

Should have put the $600 toward getting a MV8800 instead of the MV8000, there are certain little changes that definitely make it flow better.
If the timing is off it's because you have set wrong, the MV timing setup isn't really obvious if you haven't done the manual.

Don't compare the timing of any other MPC to the 4k, the gives you timing they can't match as well as being able to give you the timing of the older units.
While the setting for timing are more obvious on the 4k than the MV they still require that you change things to get the timing of the older MPC's.

My 4k and 8800 are the only real choices to me, could never see using something like a 3k/2k/60/2500 again.

can't find an mv8800 for 1500 ...

on the trigger times, it wasn't so much the recording, but teh actual trigger when i hit the button itself. I think it's just the way the pad feels.. they're all like that.

i like how they're nice and gooey though.

you really think the 4k's timing's that great?

I'm so curiosu about the features on the timing yet...

I haven't palyed with the mv8000 yet, i'm in the middle of moving so right now the mv8000 sits in the office until i have a chance to roll wit it on the subway:o it's raining in nyc now too, so id ont now if i'll be able to bring it there tonight:(

but wow this mv8000 manual is huge.

just checked out the quantize section, lots of capabilities...i'm pretty excited to dive into it...


What would you say the differneces between the 8800 and 8000 are?

-Ryan

3001 wrote:
What would you say the differneces between the 8800 and 8000 are?

-Ryan

Check this graphic for that
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konc3pt wrote:I"m thinking since mpc has been on the market longer than MV. chances are that ex-mpc heads convertered to MV's rather than the other way around. I think you'll have more luck over at mvnation or whatever they call themselves.

I would stay here. Like in this forum, the more serious and most knowledgeable users are pretty much fed up with this topic. Not a strike against the starter of this thread by any means.

I had a MV8000. Had never used an mpc before it. I was an Ensoniq user. I don't think the 8000 and I'm assuming the 8800 have timing issues if you know what you're doing and you got natural groove. SOme people need the machine to provide groove. Also the resolution is higher in the MVs and in the 4000 compared to earlier MPCs, so there's way more room between beats to mess up. On the MVs and 4000, if you mess up it will be caught. Because of lower resolution on the other MPCs, the sequencer will correct small problems with timing. I think the MPC does have a special swing that has not quite been captured in the MV. Reason 4 has a new ReGroove algorithm in its sequencer that is REAL nice with MPC60 copied swings. SOmeone mentioned pad lag on the MV and the pads don't feel as nice as MPC pads but you have to get used to them and use the settings to get them where you want them. Which brings me to an experience point. WIth the MV, because there are so many features, you can't just trust the presets. You have to go in and tinker quite a bit to customize the machine to your liking. Once done, its a nice machine. With the MPC (I have the 2500) its pretty much plug and play. IMO - If you want to do just about everything inside of one system, get the MV. If you want a center piece for a larger midi and computer based recording environment, I would go with the MPC4000. I traded my MV 8000 and got the 2500 and I'm happy. But there were a couple things that the MV did that the 2500 doesn't, but I've found that most of that I'd rather do in DAW. MV records and has lots of processors but I don't think they stand up to Pro Tools, Cubase4, Waves and other VSTs that I have on my Mac. So I'm good. If I were you, I'd get the 4000. If you work with it for a while and don't like it, you can trade it for an MV. One things for sure, the MPCs keep higher resale value, so you're much more likely to be able to sell or trade your MPC4000 at a much higher value. Good luck.

Both the MV and the 4k allow you to down grade your timimg to the weaker timing of the other MPC's.

The MV pads remind me of the 4k pads when someone adjust the sensitivity on them.

Although I did feel some of hte timing issues, I think that has to do with the nuances of the pads? it's not as fluid as MPC. instnatly triggering, it seems like there's a slight proccessor lag. But the whole thing seemed great.

Processor lag? Can you be a little more specific? I've had a MV for years, and neve experienced anything like that...You may wanna return it for another one...

Should have put the $600 toward getting a MV8800 instead of the MV8000, there are certain little changes that definitely make it flow better.

I disagree. The 8800 is definitely not worth the extra 600. The only additions you get with the 8800 are the color screen (which doesn't matter since you should be using the vga anyway), some extra sounds (which you don't need), and really the only bonus I actually value in the 8800 is the auto zero-crossing when you chop....But if you know how to chop anyway, while this is a cool feature, it's only gonna save you maybe 30 seconds for each chop...

Other than, you're paying 600 bucks for a new paint job


Lastly, since you got the 8000, MAKE SURE YOU ARE RUNNNING OS 3.5!!! If you're not, go to RolandUS.com and download it.

And go join mvnation.com, too.

There are a lot more save and export options on the 8800. In addition to saving and exporting Audio Phrase banks and Custom FX , it turns out that only the 8800 has a bulk save option in the Sample Manger. I didn't know that until recently.

There some other stuff on the chart over at MV Nation. Whether it's worth $600 is a personal choice. I for one wouldn't step down even though the 8000 was available to me for $900 when I bought the 8800.



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