is saving entire memory the only way to keep crossfaded loop

yesterday i was playing with the crossfade/forward/alternating loop feature, played with the adsr until i got it correct, and made a sequence with it.
i saved the sequence and the program and went to sleep.

when i woke up this morning i loaded the sequence and the program back up but all that stayed were my adsr features, and i found my stuff i did with the loops had not saved.

so today i tried saving all songs and sequecnes in a new folder, and turned off my mpc then turned it back on and loaded the .proj file along with my programs, this time my loops stayed how i edited them. my question is, is this the only way to save the loop modes?
i saw that in trim mode after i adjusted the repeating loop point that there was an option to destructively save the sample as this but then i would guess that i woudent be able to edit it any more and it would destroy the original sample as well.
i think having the feature to edit is a really good thing to have when making music unless you know for a fact that you are 100% certain you can live with that change forever.
so is this the only way to save those and still have them editable?

another question, it says it takes up 2 voices if i use crossfade loop, does this mean that sounds will begin to drop out after i used up all my polyphony? is there 64 voices of polyphony total in the mpc?
i would think that this would be hard to run out of, do you guys ever run out of voices?
what exactly happens when you do?

im only using samples on the mpc itself,so no other hardware is taking up polyphony.

im running jjos 2xl with an mpc 2500.

thanks

is this the only way to save the loop modes?

I think the loop settings are saved at the sample level. Anyway, the easiest way to save your work is to SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY in a new folder (or overwriting in the same folder of course)

is there 64 voices of polyphony total in the mpc?

There are 32 voices ( 32 mono => 16 stereo)

i would think that this would be hard to run out of, do you guys ever run out of voices?

You can run out of voices very quickly. For instance, take a short stereo sample. Set a crossfade loop. Set a program with POLY settings at the pad and program level. In the other mode (pad 10) while looking at the voice monitor press your pad several times and see the result.

If you run out of voices one day, you can do a search in the forum. This have been discussed many times. To sum up the main solutions are : using MONO samples, using MONO settings in program mode, resampling the main out...etc

damien907 wrote:so is this the only way to save those and still have them editable?

save the edited sample to a separate file, so you have both the original and edited ones in separate files.

damien907 wrote:im only using samples on the mpc itself,so no other hardware is taking up polyphony.

if you mean other hardware controlled by midi, I don't think that counts towards the polyphony limit anyway - the 32 voice limited applies to sounds the mpc itself makes

ok, thats good to know about the external midi devices not using polyphony, i always make my samples mono instead of poly, so i think saving the program as a crossfaded loop shouldent be too bad unless i end up using alot of pieces.

thanks guys

@le rat im gonna try what you told me with all the voices set to poly today.
i believe sounds will start dropping out and acting weird, but have never tried first hand.

also 1 stereo crossfade loop takes up 4 voices - you can convert the loop to a new sample to get back down to 2 voices for a stereo sample (or 1 for a mono)

ooh i didnt know that.

another quick question, wehn i load up the proj file shouldent my sequence play without loading up my programs? i find out i still have to go back and load up my program files because the samples arent there when i load the .proj file.

I only use "SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY"-option. Create a new version (new folder) on every major change on your tune. Everything is just as it should when loading the project-file.

you create a whole new folder? i just overwrite my previous one when i save a change i have made.

do you have to load all the programs separately after you load the project file though?

It's just enough to load the project. It knows of all the data in the current memory that was saved.

I too overwrite to the same folder when my edits are of minor type, but whenever I feel that the changes I've done are major and will probably take the tune to a new direction, I'll save it to new folder and try to add a note to the folder that this is a new version eg. folders "MyTune v1", "MyTune v2". Now if I ever feel that "MyTune v2" isn't really going anywhere and/or the changes I've done are bad, I'll just load "MyTune v1" and on next save (if changes are of major type) put everything to a new folder "MyTune v3".

cool thanks man, thats a good idea, i have never really backed up like that before but it would be good if i wanted to go a new direction with a song.