this XL qlink rubbish

i cant believe what a mess JJ's made of the qlink capabilities.

yes yes theyre smooth and its great to be able to set them up on main screen, and they're tapped to the track and not the programs, perfect in that sense.

but, i cant use this system thats become the 'realtime' hijack of the 'note on' behavior.

so if u record realtime qlink,in effect u get note on events being hijacked. like try to use the 16levels, while moving any so called realtime values in qlinks. it wont work. they override the different levels that 16 levels used.

realtime events cant even be overdubbed now, meaning that i could once do a load of lpf tweaking, then switch the qlink to control the tune, and record tune events over the lpf and have both set of data working well in a seq.

EDIT: not only that, but in OS2, both sliders can run realtime changes,ie: Q1 cutoff, Q2 tune, and still any 16levels stuff would work on top of that!

now, any tweaks just replace the other tweaks, even if its a different "realtime" (yeah right!) function.

i desperately would rather have the realtime qlinks in harmony with the note on variations we had in OS2.
both note on and realtime could be recorded onto the same track, and the realtime data could be multi layered different types of slider recordings.

yep. as i detailed before in my Q-LINK thread i'm in full agreement. he totally screwed this in OS 2XL.

that's why i'm pushing hard for the OS 2 improvements - as all of this power works perfectly in OS 2. ...and as JJ stated this is NEVER coming back in OS 2XL.

OS 2 was abandoned prematurely.

this again? back to os2 or learn to live with it. it isn't changing.

this hasn't caused me a moment's trouble as i've begun using midi ccs as a most powerful form of qreal anyway. multiple midi ccs + all the note on/16 levels you want.

say what you want about not wanting to use a computer and/or extra gear, but realize that you are essentially saying you don't want to use an improved/working function (ccs) to replace the use of multiple qreal.

the sad thing is that if there weren't the additions of os2xl and all os addition had stopped in October, nobody would be saying os2 had been "abandoned prematurely."

not trying to start anything. there are multiple options here, both as far as OS choice is concerned and as far as in-OS accomplishment of the same tasks are concerned. nobody's ever going to be 100% happy, not even me, esp when i've had to move to using POISE to simulate simult. point is, tough sh!t - you have to change your practices a little bit. this is an opportunity to get clever and gain some new functionality.

fact is, very few people have any insight into the implications of different functions/specification and the resulting bugs that occur.

yes ~NYM - ever the hardened diplomat,

so what can CC's do for me here in an internal mpc environment? - ie: no computer at hand, just - all in the box world.

trust me i am open - im all up for new strains, but as u know what i'm saying was that there was a distinct crippling of a very good set of functions.

if i can equate methods with one another im happy, sure, but u talking about not needing external eqpt. to get the same results?

im a dab hand at CC's on DAW, but inside the mpc> what can they do for me?

midi ccs don't do anything when all you have is the mpc - and this is where you need to make a hard decision that i'm not jealous of:

which os -- 2 or XL -- has the direction of sequencing power that you need?

without external equipment, there is no best of both worlds. with XL and a DAW application w/ a couple freeware plugins, you have exponentially surpassed the functionality of QREAL. with a midi controller/DAW midi thru, you could achieve quantize strength in OS2.

but as you all to well know, with just the MPC, there's simply no best answer. were i only using the MPC these days, i'd have a much harder time choosing between os2 and XL.

AHOY! thar lay the booty lads!

I hope people have learned some restraint when it comes to "new and improved" operating systems (or anything else, really). Sit back, see how it goes--and then make your decision. I'm very glad I didn't buy OS2XL the day it came out. I've been able to observe the backlash and understand the repercussions w/o feeling like I jumped the gun.

Then again, it's only $15, and as long as you can still load up OS2, no big loss.

T.

Sorry, but y'all sound like some whiny little girls on here some times. Shit, switch to Akai's OS and shut the **** up. Boo hoo, I can't make beats now with one q link. Waah Waah, I need auto this and auto that to make a beat. **** that.

primebeatz wrote:Sorry, but y'all sound like some whiny little girls on here some times. ****, switch to Akai's OS and shut the **** up. Boo hoo, I can't make beats now with one q link. Waah Waah, I need auto this and auto that to make a beat. **** that.

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primebeatz wrote:Sorry, but y'all sound like some whiny little girls on here some times. ****, switch to Akai's OS and shut the **** up. Boo hoo, I can't make beats now with one q link. Waah Waah, I need auto this and auto that to make a beat. **** that.

what, people can't voice their opinion here now?


not everyone uses the MPC like you do. not everyone makes the type of music you do. not everyone has the same workflow that you do.

some people had their workflow killed because of the changes in the OS & are stating their case. can't handle it? just ignore the thread.

it's 'whiny little girls' that got you half the features in your current OS & it's 'whiny little girls' that just might get the old simult behavior back in 2XL, so i'd reconsider that position if i were you.

JJ doesn't tell me how to make music, I do. if i and others feel he has messed something big up there is no shame in letting him & others know about it. that's what this forum is for.


BUT...

to be fair, i don't know why arebee is bringing this q-link stuff up again. we already went over this in the other thread. it's a dead issue and unfortunately this functionality is NOT coming back in 2XL. i'm staying on 2 and i'm at peace with that decision. one last request to get some basic goodies added to 2 before he leaves it behind and i'm done.

Nym wrote:the sad thing is that if there weren't the additions of os2xl and all os addition had stopped in October, nobody would be saying os2 had been "abandoned prematurely."

i definitely would have! the updates had slowed to a trickle. there was a huge list of requests and plenty of codespace left. i was starting to wonder what happened. i honestly thought JJ had gotten another job... and then XL dropped and we could see where half of those requests ended up. i just like to see something reach it's fullest potential (max out that codespace & kill all the bugs!) before moving on to a new thing.

on a related note, and honestly no disrespect intended... but i seriously wonder why you even still use an MPC, Nym. it seems obvious to me that you would be much better served by an MPD type controller + your DAW. i know you are very fluent in GRID EDIT but don't you think you would have that same level of proficiency after a while working solely in the DAW? you could do all your recording, editing, move notes around... have much finer control & a much bigger screen, too. plus all the looping, crossfade, etc... it's all there. i mean, when you are already layering stuff with POISE... why not just make the final leap? you have HUGE influence over JJ / the OS development and yet you don't seem like a representative MPC user with your heavy reliance on a DAW for the basic stuff.

Sooty_G wrote:

primebeatz wrote:Sorry, but y'all sound like some whiny little girls on here some times. ****, switch to Akai's OS and shut the **** up. Boo hoo, I can't make beats now with one q link. Waah Waah, I need auto this and auto that to make a beat. **** that.

what, people can't voice their opinion here now?

You can voice your opinion freely here or anywhere else, just as I did when I made my whiny little girls post.

Nym wrote:midi ccs don't do anything when all you have is the mpc - and this is where you need to make a hard decision that i'm not jealous of:

which os -- 2 or XL -- has the direction of sequencing power that you need?

without external equipment, there is no best of both worlds. with XL and a DAW application w/ a couple freeware plugins, you have exponentially surpassed the functionality of QREAL. with a midi controller/DAW midi thru, you could achieve quantize strength in OS2.

but as you all to well know, with just the MPC, there's simply no best answer. were i only using the MPC these days, i'd have a much harder time choosing between os2 and XL.

its very simple from my perspective,

ive got a dual2ghz G5 sat here, maxxed up with the finest DAWs ive found on the planet - and i know 'em all pretty much inside out - esp. focusing on how to control automation, capture creativity bursts etc, so i rarely worry about that end of the studio.

but when i want me n my MPC just to be on our own for a while, i like it to be the best it can possibly be too.

OS2 got very very close - as a result at this time of writing,in my opinion based on my understanding of my own needs/behaviour,
JJOS2 is far superior than any other OS on MPC1K.

so its ok, i can live with this, but at first on hearing of new OS's, i was dreaming that JJ would have avoided knocking out strengths in earlier OS's in persuit of newer ones, i believed that a compounding of strengths was the way forward. but hey, JJ's doin' what JJ needs to do. and its not always gonna rock for each n every person out there.

BTW, last time I did a beat on XL, I was looking for the feature to bind the Swing Settings to Q-Link like in OS1 & 2. could'nt find it. maybe I wasn't searching thoroughly enough, but sometimes I get lost in XL - it happens more often lately. But thats just may be because I don't as much time theese days then I used to to dive into this OS stuff...

hope yer sellin tracks now days