your last feature request EVER!!!

emceewhiterabbit wrote:

mp3 wrote:Trim Mode - Use the pads to create NDC chops and assign them to the pads. In other words, While the sample is playing, press a pad to set the start point of the chop, release the pad to set the end point of the chop, and when you release the pad the chop is automatically assigned to the pad.

Record Mode - same feature conceptually, but for Record Mode. In other words, in record mode, press a pad to start sampling, release the pad to stop sampling, and when you release the pad the sample is automatically assigned to the pad.

According to Nym I made this feature request a few years ago, but apparently JJ can't see my swag from Japan...

that is an awesome idea.

This is an awesome idea and is what I would request too, i'd also pay for it too. I think this would be the best JJOS feature ever and would kill akai os.

mp3, i like the how you outlined the idea; although im not sure if i would want to hold the pad down. I would like to hit the pad twice - once to add start marker, and another for end marker - i'm thinking of when i try to use note on and try to get the pad to play exact amount of time and its always inaccurate because i think its more intuitive to hit the pad as opposed to let it go. of course i think its debateable, either could work and is something id have to try....I do think at some point you might need a dialog box to change pad assignment and or discard changes, maybe after you let the pad go?

i would also wonder the best way to begin this mode. I would think it should work with NDC Chop on and off - with "Pad Chop" working in both manual mode and NDC mode.

Im also thinking maybe you could use the transport buttons to initiate "pad chop". so you would use rec+play or rec+play start (rec+play = starts playing at beginning of current chop, rec+play start = starts playing at beginning of sample)

so for example you enter trim mode:

Manual Chop (NDC off)

1.you press transport rec+play start. "pad chop" is now initiated
2.metronome starts to click in (same metronome settings for seq transport)
3.sample starts to play from beginning
4.you hit pad of your choice to set start marker (this pad will be memorized for assignment)
5.you hit same pad to set end marker or wait for sample to end (if you wait it assumes the end is the end marker)
6.sample is still playing and you have to hit transport stop button to stop sample playing or wait for the sample to end
7.once you hit stop a dialog box pops up with save,save to pgm,discard,play,pad,pgm assignment details auto filled (selects the program you currently are on when you enter trim mode, so say you are on track 4, pgm kit1, bank B, and pressed pad b10, it defaults to that pgm,bank,pad...) since its auto filled at the very minimum you just have to press 'save' in the dialog box, but have the opportunity to switch settings if you want
8.you leave trim mode and go back to main
9.your sample is assigned to pad b10 in pgm kit1 with correct start and end points

Chop Mode (NDC on)

1.you press transport rec+play start to start sample at beginnig of sample. or you can press rec+play to start sample playing from beginning of current chop(this way if you need to redo a chop and its in the middle of sample you dont have to listen to entire sample). "pad chop" is now initiated
2.metronome starts to click in (same metronome settings for seq transport)
3.sample starts to play
4.you hit pad/chop of your choice to set start marker (this pad will be memorized for assignment) this pad is also the "chop" you are setting
5.you hit same pad to set end marker or wait for sample to end (if you wait it assumes the end is the end marker)
AND
you can also hit another pad to set start marker for that pad and hit it again for the end marker so you can set multiple overlapping chops in one pass. (maybe there would be a setting where you can toggle on and off overlapping c hops and consecutive chops too so that you could hit a pad then hit another and the start of the second would be the end of another).
6.sample is still playing and you have to hit transport stop button to stop sample playing or wait for the sample to end
7.once you hit stop a dialog box pops up with save chop,save to pgm,discard,play, chop and pad assignment details auto filled (selects the program you currently are on when you enter trim mode, so say you are on track 4, pgm kit1, bank a, and pressed pad a01, chop1, it defaults to that pgm,bank,pad,chop...) since its auto filled at the very minimum you just have to hit save on the dialog box, but have the opportunity to switch settings, you could choose to not save it to a pgm - that way you can just set the chops, and later choose "new pgm".
8.you leave trim mode and go back to main
9.your sample is assigned to pad with correct start and end points

in additon, we need the ability to set multiple markers in one pass, and have overlapping markers in one pass. you also need to be able to start the sample from somewhere other than the beginning incase its a really long sample - so rec+play will start from "last chop" or "start of current chop".

any thoughts,changes,opinions? I think its important we discuss this feature in depth if we want JJOS to implement it. no sense in giving him vague details, right?!

peace!

It seems like the internal OS memory is getting a bit full (hence Pong being sadly omitted now), so it may be an idea to say what features users would sacrifice to make room for their dream feature.

Mine would be anything to do with input thru, never use it.
As I'm using OS 5.56, I wouldn't miss the Audio Recording Tracks that much.
If I was to upgrade to the newer OS then are the full ADSR envelopes really necessary. (And the Audio tracks)

I really like idea of a new version of Record Mode/sampling while the MPC is rolling, it would be excellent if it did its grab automatically quantised on tempo/bar points in an Ableton Live stylee. But still quite attached to FX Sends on designated outputs.

LZ Roberts wrote:It seems like the internal OS memory is getting a bit full (hence Pong being sadly omitted now), so it may be an idea to say what features users would sacrifice to make room for their dream feature.

Mine would be anything to do with input thru, never use it.
As I'm using OS 5.56, I wouldn't miss the Audio Recording Tracks that much.
If I was to upgrade to the newer OS then are the full ADSR envelopes really necessary. (And the Audio tracks)

although i think it could be a good idea to rid the memory of lesser features/functions to make way for more substantial changes, i also believe ridding the OS of it's greatest feature may not be too productive

Pong is still in the mpc 1000 os2xl.

Mode + Pad 10 (other)
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LZ Roberts wrote:It seems like the internal OS memory is getting a bit full (hence Pong being sadly omitted now), so it may be an idea to say what features users would sacrifice to make room for their dream feature.

Mine would be anything to do with input thru, never use it.
As I'm using OS 5.56, I wouldn't miss the Audio Recording Tracks that much.
If I was to upgrade to the newer OS then are the full ADSR envelopes really necessary. (And the Audio tracks)

I really like idea of a new version of Record Mode/sampling while the MPC is rolling, it would be excellent if it did its grab automatically quantised on tempo/bar points in an Ableton Live stylee. But still quite attached to FX Sends on designated outputs.

A lot of people (including me) have said this before, "what if JJ releases different OS's, cutting out certain features to make things more slimline". Problem is, everyone wants different features taken out. I, for example, have never used Input Thru but find ADSR and Audio Tracks essential. I also don't use multitimbrality, but others would slit my throat for making JJ get rid of it, lol.

it's not worth the time to discuss "which features to take out" because the flash memory is not even close to full (5mb if i remember correctly)

the mpc OS has a lot of room to grow horizontally, but not a lot vertically (CPU use).
offline features that don't use active CPU, like SEQ edit and other sequencing functions, is where jjos really shines.

rarara wrote:how many times do i have to say it - different track lengths

This would be my #1 as well.

I just wish the track mixer output midi volume & pan messages.....oh & get rid of the pitch shifter on input thru.

yeah, like Nym said: the os still has tons of room to grow in terms of features, but not so much in terms of things that use up the cpu in realtime. were really pushing the mpc hard as it is. smoke is starting to come out the back of em now.

but offline features: seq editing, sample editing, grid edit stuff, there is a LOT of room for growth there.

i really ike mp3s request about hitting the pads to sample & assign in 1 step.

i would like to see a really simple mode available: hit 1 pad to start sampling to that pad, hit the next pad to end the sample of the first pad & start assigning to the second pad. that way you could have your source sound going & just go down the row hitting all the pads once to assign the appropriate part to each one (instead of having to hold the pad down for the duration).

GrantB wrote:

rarara wrote:how many times do i have to say it - different track lengths

This would be my #1 as well.

i don't get what is meant by this. tracks can be as long as you like?

^^^^What they mean is Ie:Track1 2 bars,track2 8 bars,track3 4 bars.....all looping on there respective bars.Nice.

cyrus wrote:
This is an awesome idea and is what I would request too, i'd also pay for it too. I think this would be the best JJOS feature ever and would kill akai os.

mp3, i like the how you outlined the idea; although im not sure if i would want to hold the pad down. I would like to hit the pad twice - once to add start marker, and another for end marker - i'm thinking of when i try to use note on and try to get the pad to play exact amount of time and its always inaccurate because i think its more intuitive to hit the pad as opposed to let it go. of course i think its debateable, either could work and is something id have to try....I do think at some point you might need a dialog box to change pad assignment and or discard changes, maybe after you let the pad go?

i would also wonder the best way to begin this mode. I would think it should work with NDC Chop on and off - with "Pad Chop" working in both manual mode and NDC mode.

Im also thinking maybe you could use the transport buttons to initiate "pad chop". so you would use rec+play or rec+play start (rec+play = starts playing at beginning of current chop, rec+play start = starts playing at beginning of sample)

so for example you enter trim mode:

Manual Chop (NDC off)

1.you press transport rec+play start. "pad chop" is now initiated
2.metronome starts to click in (same metronome settings for seq transport)
3.sample starts to play from beginning
4.you hit pad of your choice to set start marker (this pad will be memorized for assignment)
5.you hit same pad to set end marker or wait for sample to end (if you wait it assumes the end is the end marker)
6.sample is still playing and you have to hit transport stop button to stop sample playing or wait for the sample to end
7.once you hit stop a dialog box pops up with save,save to pgm,discard,play,pad,pgm assignment details auto filled (selects the program you currently are on when you enter trim mode, so say you are on track 4, pgm kit1, bank B, and pressed pad b10, it defaults to that pgm,bank,pad...) since its auto filled at the very minimum you just have to press 'save' in the dialog box, but have the opportunity to switch settings if you want
8.you leave trim mode and go back to main
9.your sample is assigned to pad b10 in pgm kit1 with correct start and end points

Chop Mode (NDC on)

1.you press transport rec+play start to start sample at beginnig of sample. or you can press rec+play to start sample playing from beginning of current chop(this way if you need to redo a chop and its in the middle of sample you dont have to listen to entire sample). "pad chop" is now initiated
2.metronome starts to click in (same metronome settings for seq transport)
3.sample starts to play
4.you hit pad/chop of your choice to set start marker (this pad will be memorized for assignment) this pad is also the "chop" you are setting
5.you hit same pad to set end marker or wait for sample to end (if you wait it assumes the end is the end marker)
AND
you can also hit another pad to set start marker for that pad and hit it again for the end marker so you can set multiple overlapping chops in one pass. (maybe there would be a setting where you can toggle on and off overlapping c hops and consecutive chops too so that you could hit a pad then hit another and the start of the second would be the end of another).
6.sample is still playing and you have to hit transport stop button to stop sample playing or wait for the sample to end
7.once you hit stop a dialog box pops up with save chop,save to pgm,discard,play, chop and pad assignment details auto filled (selects the program you currently are on when you enter trim mode, so say you are on track 4, pgm kit1, bank a, and pressed pad a01, chop1, it defaults to that pgm,bank,pad,chop...) since its auto filled at the very minimum you just have to hit save on the dialog box, but have the opportunity to switch settings, you could choose to not save it to a pgm - that way you can just set the chops, and later choose "new pgm".
8.you leave trim mode and go back to main
9.your sample is assigned to pad with correct start and end points

in additon, we need the ability to set multiple markers in one pass, and have overlapping markers in one pass. you also need to be able to start the sample from somewhere other than the beginning incase its a really long sample - so rec+play will start from "last chop" or "start of current chop".

any thoughts,changes,opinions? I think its important we discuss this feature in depth if we want JJOS to implement it. no sense in giving him vague details, right?!

peace!

Good ideas, good way to flesh out the feature request, but I think there are way too many steps involved. In my opinion it should be as simple as:
1. activate chop-to-pad mode (in some way shape form or fashion)
2. play the sample (using the play, stop and play start buttons (and perhaps the << bar >>) to get around the sample
3. hold pad to set start point and assign, release pad to set end point.

or in record mode:
1. activate record-to-pad (function keys are available to use)
2. play your source
3. hold pad to start sampling and assign, release pad to end sampling. Skip the following keep/play/retry dialogue.

(I wouldn't be opposed to your idea of hit the pad once to start sampling and again to stop sampling. My only concern is what happens if you hit a different pad in the middle of sampling/chopping?)

Anything more than that kind of gets in the way and negates the utility of the feature. IMO the whole point of a feature like this would be for 'quick and dirty' chopping. Adding too much to it makes it redundant with the tools that are already there IMO.

Also, I just discovered that you can record samples in the Input Thru screen! Just hit the record button in the transport and whatever is being monitored gets recorded to a new sample (with filter/fx/level settings). Hit record again and sampling stops! No dialogues, etc., to get in the way. Quick and dirty!

Perhaps, then, we can skip the Record Mode part. What do you guys think? By the way, I don't recall that feature ever being documented... Did I miss it?

Sooty_G wrote:i would like to see a really simple mode available: hit 1 pad to start sampling to that pad, hit the next pad to end the sample of the first pad & start assigning to the second pad. that way you could have your source sound going & just go down the row hitting all the pads once to assign the appropriate part to each one (instead of having to hold the pad down for the duration).

That's a good idea, except that I find slicing to be too limiting. Overall, slicing slows me down because it forces me to create chops I have no use for, and I almost always have to go back and redo the chops that I do want. And for the chops that I want to overlap, that's still a manual process.

Input thru is very useful in general and particularly essential when you mess with audio tracks.