Track mutes and loops...

Ok, read your post again and tried it.

What this does is just unmutes your tracks automatically at the beginning of the sequence.

This is definetly better than nothing, but it's actually exactly like the original problem. Now instead of a drop out, you have it kicking in automatically when you may not necessarily want it to.

I would still like the behavior of the Akai os where I can control this however I want (like bringing in tracks one at a time, can't do this because it it unmutes all tracks upon playback).

Thank you though.

I'm not sure I quite get what you mean then. Do you mean that in the AKAI OS - say that you have one 4bar sample that triggers once at the beginning of the sequence and then re-triggers on the loop - Do you mean that in AKAI's OS if the track happens to be muted at the beginning of the sequence, you can un-mute and mute mid-sequence at will and still bring the sample in and out even though you are passed the trigger point?

If that's what you mean, I don't remember the AKAI OS doing that but it would be interesting if it did.

In JJ OS when you use the audio tracks you can mute and un-mute at will and it will drop the track in and out accordingly, but if you do it with just a 4bar sample on a program track then you have to make sure than the sample does not behave in the same way.

If that's the type of behavior you are talking about, then I would be curious myself it there is an easy way to accomplish that in JJ OS

Just edited post above. Should be clearer.

"Do you mean that in AKAI's OS if the track happens to be muted at the beginning of the sequence, you can un-mute and mute mid-sequence at will and still bring the sample in and out even though you are passed the trigger point?"

Yes. That is exactly how the Akai os behaves and it's really nice and we need this in the JJ os!

You don't mean something like this do you (used a real familiar loop):

http://www.zshare.net/audio/2595086a0494fb/

If you want to be able to mute like that you can assign your main loop sample to an audio track (track 57-64)

I wonder why you can't get samples to behave the same way in programs though. I also wonder why you can't choose any track number to be an audio track, like Track 1 or something.

AUDIO TRACKS WORKS!!!
That is exactly what I was looking for! Too bad regular audio tracks can't do this. Oh well, 7 tracks of unquantized mutes is better than none. Thanks again dvs.

You should this in your tips and tricks section.

Anyone who does know what I'm talking about, I urge you to hit JJ for a request. I think he just overlooked this but is Very important in live performance.

King_Vitamin wrote:AUDIO TRACKS WORKS!!!
That is exactly what I was looking for! Too bad regular audio tracks can't do this. Oh well, 7 tracks of unquantized mutes is better than none. Thanks again dvs.

You should this in your tips and tricks section.

Anyone who does know what I'm talking about, I urge you to hit JJ for a request. I think he just overlooked this but is Very important in live performance.

+2 ditto ditto ditto, and it would double as a great work around for the fact that you can't edit/record/ sample new sequences without stopping the sequencer. if it could do that I'd cut down on ableton Live by 50%, definitely hit up jj on their site.

Sorry I woke you up, go back to sleep now...

what do you mean by that? However, I do sleep like a madman- I thought that you were trying to figure out if the track mute during live performances works on jjos the way that it does on the Akai os. And I still stand by my insightful comment-yes the track mutes work- meaning that you don't have to wait for the beginning of the loop

Birdie Boy

King_Vitamin wrote:AUDIO TRACKS WORKS!!!
That is exactly what I was looking for! Too bad regular audio tracks can't do this. Oh well, 7 tracks of unquantized mutes is better than none. Thanks again dvs.

You should this in your tips and tricks section.

Anyone who does know what I'm talking about, I urge you to hit JJ for a request. I think he just overlooked this but is Very important in live performance.

Yeah it would be nice if they could implement the same functionality into the regular tracks, but I'm sure there is some reason or another why it's not possible.

DirtyBird wrote:

Sorry I woke you up, go back to sleep now...

what do you mean by that? However, I do sleep like a madman- I thought that you were trying to figure out if the track mute during live performances works on jjos the way that it does on the Akai os. And I still stand by my insightful comment-yes the track mutes work- meaning that you don't have to wait for the beginning of the loop

Birdie Boy

I was just playn man That wasen't quite what I meant though.

Sorry to revisit this, but it's is really getting to me...

Just to reiterate: this is totally been in the OG akai OS since at least the 2000xl (which is what I started on).

believe me, switching back and forth between that piece of sh!t akai code and the JJ masterpiece is not something I want to do, but I've been forced to do so w/ out this critical feature (to me of course).

again: I beg of anyone who uses this feature to please bug JJ to put this back in the code, as I am getting no response from him/ her/ them/ it and need some numbers.

PUT UN-QUANTISED TRACK MUTES BACK PLEASE!!!!!!!

WOW, i never noticed this before. i guess its cause i usually chop stuff up small, instead of using longer samples/loops.
this IS a bit dissapointing that it acts this way now. definitely doesn't bother me enough to go back to the old akai crappy os, but still kinda lame....

and wait a minute...maybe i'm wrong but now i'm even noticing that if a long sample is triggered and then i hit the track mute.... IT DOESN'T MUTE THE SOUND???

wow....now that's REALLY dissapointing. guess its a good thing i don't perform live with my mpc, or rely heavily on track mute for that matter.

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punchdrunk wrote:WOW, i never noticed this before. i guess its cause i usually chop stuff up small, instead of using longer samples/loops.
this IS a bit dissapointing that it acts this way now. definitely doesn't bother me enough to go back to the old akai crappy os, but still kinda lame....

and wait a minute...maybe i'm wrong but now i'm even noticing that if a long sample is triggered and then i hit the track mute.... IT DOESN'T MUTE THE SOUND???

wow....now that's REALLY dissapointing. guess its a good thing i don't perform live with my mpc, or rely heavily on track mute for that matter.

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Yeah, I haven't gone back to Akai's OS ever to check it, but according to this thread in Akai's OS you could mute/mute any sample at any time and it would always mute.

It seems that since the introduction of audio tracks in JJ OS that this feature is no longer available.

Say that you have one long sample - a 2 bar loop. If you record it so that it triggers at the beginning of bar 1 and hit mute any time after its initial trigger, it won't actually mute until it finishes playing the sample. Or say that your sequence is already playing muted, and you un-mute in the middle, the sample won't actually un-mute until it re-triggers at the beginning of bar 1.

If you have these sample samples recorded to an audio track you can mute and un-mute them whenever you want however.

In getting audio tracks did we give up the ability to mute samples at any time? Or is this just one giant fixable bug that nobody has noticed?

Why can't all the tracks mute samples in the same way that tracks 57-64 can?

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punchdrunk wrote:WOW, i never noticed this before. i guess its cause i usually chop stuff up small, instead of using longer samples/loops.
this IS a bit dissapointing that it acts this way now. definitely doesn't bother me enough to go back to the old akai crappy os, but still kinda lame....

and wait a minute...maybe i'm wrong but now i'm even noticing that if a long sample is triggered and then i hit the track mute.... IT DOESN'T MUTE THE SOUND???

wow....now that's REALLY dissapointing. guess its a good thing i don't perform live with my mpc, or rely heavily on track mute for that matter.

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i've reported this bug to JJ at least twice. track mutes do not work as they should.

also, the way to get track mutes to mute long sounds right away, you need to change the mute/stop of one shot sample to IMMEDIATE. The problem with that though, is if you have a sample which carries over from the end of the loop to the beginning, it gets muted when the sequence loops back! this is very annoying if you have a looped beat where the sample doesn't start on the 1. and this is not even when you're muting, i mean when you're just letting the loop play through, it won't play through to the beginning of the sequence.

try this to demonstrate another problem with track mutes:

1) set mute/stop of one shot sample to IMMEDIATE.
2) record a long sample.
3) assign long sample to a pad and set it to mono play
4) trigger that pad in the first step of the sequence.
5) play the sequence
6) let the sequence loop around to the beginning, the sample should loop
7) now hit mute in the middle of the sequence, the sound will mute immediately
8) let the beat loop around again past the first step of the sequnce
9) hit unmute

now, ideally when you hit unmute, you'd like the sample to be playing as if it were triggered at the beginning of the loop, but no, instead it's still playing the rest of the sample from when it was triggered the loop before!