4.84 is up

yes, always update, this is still the best release ever.

yeah, always get the newest one. JJ kicks the Akai OS's ass if only for aesthetics alone. When I loaded up 2.11 today it looked like straight ass, and the fact that it doesn't read your files and folders alphabetically is ridiculous.

Just learn everything on JJ - all of the major knowledge is transferable between the two. And as far as one JJ to the next - it won't ever change anything drastically, just fix bugs and maybe add a new feature once in a while

C.Robot - I'm not sure if I follow you completely. I've never had a beat that didn't work right from an old OS (I only used Akai 2.10 for a week or two though)

Basically though - THROUGH mode will operate exactly the same way as the Akai OS does.

If you switch to IMMEDIATE you get a little more versatility in your track mutes, but at the expense of some of the original functionality. If you are having problems, then just use THROUGH mode.

i just checked again. muting on seq-end is gone. samples play trough the loop-points of the sequence. this is good!
the overall muting through tracks changes the way i work, but i can get used to it. now we have to get rid of the mute-information being send, even if a track is muted. i think if you mute a track, you don't want it to send any information. so i'm gonna send a bug-report to jj. if he fixes that, i'm fine!

CommanderRobot wrote:i just checked again. muting on seq-end is gone. samples play trough the loop-points of the sequence. this is good!
the overall muting through tracks changes the way i work, but i can get used to it. now we have to get rid of the mute-information being send, even if a track is muted. i think if you mute a track, you don't want it to send any information. so i'm gonna send a bug-report to jj. if he fixes that, i'm fine!

Are you talking about assigning all your track mutes to a dedicated track, and then muting that track to cancel out those mutes?

I think that's been discussed on her before and apparently it's not possible to do that -- would definitely open up some neat possibilities though

thedvs01 wrote:Are you talking about assigning all your track mutes to a dedicated track, and then muting that track to cancel out those mutes?

no...
i'm talking about something completely different.
so sorry, my english gets to it's boundaries on this topic.

i just reported this to jj, hope that's easier to understand:

1. record a one-shot sample, which is set to 'mono' in program mode
(should be a liitle longer than just a kick sample, so you'll hear what i talk about)
2. now mute this track
3. play the same pad
bug: the sample get's muted by the recorded sample on the muted track.
even if i switch to a different track, the sample still gets cut off by the muted track.

if i mute a track, i don't want it to send any information!

CommanderRobot wrote:

thedvs01 wrote:Are you talking about assigning all your track mutes to a dedicated track, and then muting that track to cancel out those mutes?

no...
i'm talking about something completely different.
so sorry, my english gets to it's boundaries on this topic.

i just reported this to jj, hope that's easier to understand:

1. record a one-shot sample, which is set to 'mono' in program mode
(should be a liitle longer than just a kick sample, so you'll hear what i talk about)
2. now mute this track
3. play the same pad
bug: the sample get's muted by the recorded sample on the muted track.
even if i switch to a different track, the sample still gets cut off by the muted track.

if i mute a track, i don't want it to send any information!

have you tried hitting window on that particular program, making a duplicate copy of the same program, and then using the copy on a different track?

damn thats kinda wack right there

**** this is confusing as hell to me... Is Hereo around, if so could you explain what's going on with the muting.


1. is it possible to simply record 5 tracks, press play and mute/un mute the tracks and perform that way?

2. can you record your mutes into a song arrangement?

Mpc_Monk wrote:**** this is confusing as hell to me... Is Hereo around, if so could you explain what's going on with the muting.


1. is it possible to simply record 5 tracks, press play and mute/un mute the tracks and perform that way?

2. can you record your mutes into a song arrangement?

1. Yeah sure, why not? The problem we are discussing is only with mute:immediate, somewhat more complicated.

2. Kinda. You can record the mutes in a sequence and play the sequence in song mode. When you convert the song to a new sequence, all track mutes are ignored though. Would be a cool feature to have those muted notes removed when converting.

Mpc_Monk wrote:**** this is confusing as hell to me... Is Hereo around, if so could you explain what's going on with the muting.


1. is it possible to simply record 5 tracks, press play and mute/un mute the tracks and perform that way?

2. can you record your mutes into a song arrangement?

yes, both is no problem. i'm only complaining about how a pad set to mono mutes itself, even if it's recorded on a muted track.

rinseout wrote:

Mpc_Monk wrote:**** this is confusing as hell to me... Is Hereo around, if so could you explain what's going on with the muting.


1. is it possible to simply record 5 tracks, press play and mute/un mute the tracks and perform that way?

2. can you record your mutes into a song arrangement?

1. Yeah sure, why not? The problem we are discussing is only with mute:immediate, somewhat more complicated.

2. Kinda. You can record the mutes in a sequence and play the sequence in song mode. When you convert the song to a new sequence, all track mutes are ignored though. Would be a cool feature to have those muted notes removed when converting.

ok thats a great help thank you, but why not just play the seqs in song mode why convert them?

Just finished checking it out thoroughly, heres a little history. Please correct me if you find mistakes.


4.79: Mute:immediate, unmute only if track wasnt muted when the note starts

4.80:

Bug fix & Change: New OS Ver4.80 09-Aug-2007
----------------------------------------------
[TRACK MUTE]
　Condition
　 [ One shot sample ]
　When playing the sequence in loop , even if it un-mute the track which is MUTE,
　sound does not come out.

Now sample stops playing at the end of sequence, notes on muted tracks mute other samples when set to mono/same mute group. Grid edit, "step sound:on" plays notes from muted tracks.


4.83:


Bug fixes & Addition & Delete : New OS Ver4.83 29-Aug-2007
-------------------------------------------------------

...


8. [GRID]
　　-----------------------------------------------------------------
　　[OTHER] page
　　F2[MISC.]
　　Mute/stop of one-shot sample:IMMEDIATE<-- <<<< IMMEDIATE >>>>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
　　At the time of this setup STEP SOUND is not muted.


Sample still stops playing at the end of sequence, notes on muted tracks mute other samples when set to mono/same mute group.


4.84: Now samples dont stop at the end of the sequence, nothing being announced bout that or just my mistake? Samples still mute each other when set to mono, even if they are on different tracks and one is muted.


So i think we have to decide, its either:

- being able to unmute a sample even if the track its on was muted when the note was played (4.80+)

or

- having tracks that are muted not doing anything at all. Since 4.80 the note still triggers, but the audio is muted, thus can be unmuted anytime. This led to new problems (sample stops at end of sequence, muted tracks mute other samples set to mono, step sound playing muted tracks) where im not sure if JJ can sort them all out without creating new bugs (i know JJ can do it all, but theres still limitations on the system).

Btw, it all started with this thread: http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=77718&start=0 , where the TS stated that

King_Vitamin wrote:I actually just loaded the old akai os and it does NOT do this.
Again: If your track is muted when the begining of your sequence rolls around, if you unmute your loop will NOT play again until the begining of the NEXT sequence.

which i still think its wrong. Akai OS did only mute:through and the notes never were triggered when the track was muted.

Mpc_Monk wrote:ok thats a great help thank you, but why not just play the seqs in song mode why convert them?

Maybe to add more later on....
You also can have your finished song playing and play your pads, mute tracks and use the qlinks when you are not in song mode.

thedvs01 wrote:Just checked it in AKAI's OS, and IMMEDIATE muting isn't even possible, either through an option or just by default.

The Akai OS, by default, is locked into what is JJ's equivalent of THROUGH mode on the mute track screen. If you switch your JJ OS settings to through, then long loops triggered mid-sequence will loop properly without being muted at the start point.

If you set it to IMMEDIATE, you have the ability to mute and un-mute loops immediately, but long loops will mute when the sequence loops the start point again.

To break it down again:

THROUGH mode = exactly like Akai 2.11
IMMEDIATE mode = all tracks have the same mute behavior, but at the sacrifice of long loops

JJ is right, it is specification

whoever originally insisted that the Akai OS had immediate mutes by default was apparently wrong

If you want the best of both worlds, use THROUGH mode, and assign Q-Link to Level of your long loops, and you can mute with the slider

(side note a bout that though, does anyone get noise when using their Q-links assigned to level?)

JJ isn't right. it works on my mpc2500 with the Akai OS, and i even recorded video of it. the problem is that the videos are 50 meg each so i signed up for a youtube account to upload them, but i can't upload videos until my email address is confirmed, and my email is down!

i will have the video uploaded as soon as i can.

Mpc_Monk wrote:**** this is confusing as hell to me... Is Hereo around, if so could you explain what's going on with the muting.

Shoot man, I'm not really up on Track Mutes. I'm learnin' a lot in this thread. This is all news to me. I rarely use track mutes. I bet I'll use them more now though!