TRYING OUT THE LOW END THEORY

Nym wrote:think of the sample being composed of "ABC"

A=bass
B=mids
C=treble

(ultrasimplified)

so you have ABC. then you lowpass it, removing BC. now you just have A.

your original sample has A already in it. when you add em together you get

AABC

in other words, they're BOTH playing "low end," but one of em is playing lowend exclusively. the other, it's just part of the ABC.

and this is where phasing often occurs.

understandable. But I dont think much phasing would occur using this technique its not much different then using the regular low end theory when you manually layer the sample. Ill test it and see

i find i get phasing when using this technique, so here's what i've been messing with.

i've been assigning the same lowpass sample to two different pads, panned
wide in opposite directions. set one to trigger the other with simult.

apply the low pass filters, setting one's envelope to open a little bit slower,
with an LFO set to 1.00, zero delay.

set the other pad's envelope to open straight away, maybe lower the filter
threshold a little more than the other, apply the LFO, and set it 1.03 or something,
and delay it by a small amount, 0.05 or something.

this can create a nice swirling effect, and the frequencies are coming in and
out at slightly different times so it sort off gets rid too much phasing...

...or it at least makes it sound better.

give it a shot, can make some nice thick n tasty bizzlions...

right -- they aren't playing at different frequencies.

all the filter does is drop out the high end, it doesn't add any frequencies that weren't already there

(I wasn't trying to be a smartass posting the definition or anything -- I just thought the answer was clear in the definition)

thedvs01 wrote:right -- they aren't playing at different frequencies.

all the filter does is drop out the high end, it doesn't add any frequencies that weren't already there

BUT... If this was always the case then how would the low end theory even work at all?? In the low end theory as we all know we are layering the same sample over top of itself using one original sample and one filtered. I never get phasing, so whats the difference? Thats my point.

To take it a step further, I dont even use the mpc to do the lowend theory anymore, I do it at the time of mixing.
I track out the beat I put a highpass on the orinal sample then I copy tha sample to another track and put a low pass on that one and phasing never occurs thier either. I understand what u guys are saying and in "theory" your right but that doesnt seem to be the case when actually doing it.

I dunno man - I honestly don't even know what the 'low end theory' is

I always thought it was just an album by ATCQ

thedvs01 wrote:I dunno man - I honestly don't even know what the 'low end theory' is

I always thought it was just an album by ATCQ

You being serious or just joking? If you are being serious then how could u possibly add input to the discussion if you dont know what were talking about?

thedvs01 wrote:I dunno man - I honestly don't even know what the 'low end theory' is

I always thought it was just an album by ATCQ

Quote of the week!

good fukin album, though.

I'm being dead serious

I know what was being talked about in regards to filtering, but what exactly is the low end theory. Is this theory documented?

Theories as I know them are things like the theory of relativity, etc.

Where can I read the low end theory written in words? What is the theory of the low end?

thedvs01 wrote:I'm being dead serious

I know what was being talked about in regards to filtering, but what exactly is the low end theory. Is this theory documented?

Theories as I know them are things like the theory of relativity, etc.

Where can I read the low end theory written in words? What is the theory of the low end?

The low end theory is a technique where you sample something and use it in a beat. Then you take a copy of the same sample and use a lowpass filter and put that over top of the original to be the bassline. Thats the simplist way to describe it. Check out this youtube vid and you will see it in action as Ski beats Makes Jay-z dead presidents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY8EIoMelFc

The way Jacpot and mp3 described is what I do, If I have alot of chops in the sample I do it the way mp3 described.

You can put highpass on the original samples.


"IF phasing happens" adjust tune of either samples by fine points (.00) until It sounds good.

adjust numbers on the filter and/or resonance

Well then it's the low end technique

But here, check this out --

http://www.zshare.net/audio/8624327fe8e794/



it phases when you layer them

it doesn't sound awful or anything, but it is phasing

thedvs01 wrote:Well then it's the low end technique

But here, check this out --

http://www.zshare.net/audio/8624327fe8e794/



it phases when you layer them

it doesn't sound awful or anything, but it is phasing

Well despite if it phases or not, I cant tell when I do it, I can not hear the phasing when I do it, and My bass ALWAYS knocks using my methods.

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I dunno man - I honestly don't even know what the 'low end theory' is

I always thought it was just an album by ATCQ
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Quote of the week!


good fukin album, though.

quote of the week and on one of the best albums ever.
"back in the day when i was a teenager....." etc etc wow

anyway if your doing this... if you set the high pass filter correctly on the original sample doesn't this sort out the phasing issues? so you end up with two samples from the original source, one without the most of the bass frequencies removed and one with mostly bass frequencies and not a lot else?

funny thing is too..the whole concept of that tribe album title was meant to be getting away from the big hooks/loops associated with "instinctive travels" and the de la "3 feet high and rising"album i ve got a HHC inteview from when it came out when there talking about it... also i don't think theres a single track on it which uses the filtered/muffled bass technique. I think lord finesse, showbiz and the entire DITC used it a lot more . The terminology sounds good though!

I may be wrong about this

but if you set the high pass filter accordingly that it would eliminate phasing with the low pass filter, wouldn't you ultimately just end up with the same sound as the original sample unfiltered?

I may be wrong about this

but if you set the high pass filter accordingly that it would eliminate phasing with the low pass filter, wouldn't you ultimately just end up with the same sound as the original sample unfiltered?

yeah thats right, but you then have two seperate elements to bring in and out when you want: "the bassline" and all the other stuff.

Ive played around with it, but the bassline always sounds like what it is: a filtered and muffled bassline.Its cool if your after that mid nineties vibe.