OS3 under development

not good IMHO to call here anybody a hater.
I´m shure we all love JJs work !
Workflows are different, thats just a fact.
The feature set makes OS3 for some a winner right now some prefer to wait, thats not hating.
We´re joust a bit jealousy

Nym wrote:

i really hope that full NDC functionality will find its way back ...i need to have the option for one shot, Note on, but also Loop.....gonne

punkydoodle...? LOOP never applied to NDC since they all reference 1 sample with 1 set of loop points. the rest is all there in os3, you must have missed it -- or i misunderstood what you're saying. here's the manual page. note the F1 button, sample1 and sample2 ...

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/128 ... st_end.htm

load a NDC´d sample, set in playmode window "LOOP&HOLD and look how it plays.
the Loop feature is not there in the Trim mode window, but is nevertheles working in PROG mode when playmode is set to loop&Hold
( i just have such file/prog loaded now )

Great that QLINK to ALL is there, its really the main thing for me.
ok, might load again on one unit to check some further

bliprock wrote:Any chance we can get an idea about the chord banks chords? it has instances of say m7 1, m7 2, m7 3. I assume different minor scales? or different voicing only? say inverted? I have not bothered to double check it and was wondering if anyone knew?

They are different voicing of the M7 chord going up.

It could be that I needed to calibrate my pads better in OS2XL,although it seems
OS3 is giving me a much better pad response.Anybody else notice a difference?

Oh how I was excited while waiting for OS3! Just discovered some hours ago that it was released.

As others, what I'm really missing is Non-Destructive Chop. I'll check out the other functionalities and upcoming bugfixes / improvements / extensions and I will see if those new features outweigh the disadvantage of not having NDC... not so sure if it will...

At first sight, so many features are gone. But maybe some of the functions are just restructured / renamed. I still have to get my head around it...

A pretty good thing is that the file size of the downloaded .os3 file is much smaller than the one of OS2XL. That could imply that JJ has many free bytes under his fingertips, to offer updates and even more new functionalities

At the moment I am searching for some other features I miss. Maybe in the next days I will have to ask some stuff. At the moment I still hope I will figure it out..

JJ, if you're reading: Thank you for offering OS3 and thanks for the opportunity to check out new features. While I'm really sad concerning the lack of OS3, users still have the choice to stick with OS2XL. Thanks for your effort!

how did this "no ndc" misconception get started?

yeah its takes a day to just read the manual and its on another screen. I missed it at first to.

Nym wrote:
i also absolutely want quick param editing in GRID mode. i like the new MOVE function, but i think we should be able to hit WINDOW while hovering over notes to edit their parameters (velocity, position, duration, etc).

i like this request a lot! if you haven't already, send it to JJ. this sort of functionality is a must in GRID EDIT.

i would like to see all QLINK values available in this same window as well, especially now that NOTE ON variation has returned.

so you hover over a note, hit the WINDOW key, and in addition to the standard velocity, position, duration, etc.. is a value called NOTE ON where you can rotate the scroll wheel to select the QLINK value you want (tune, sample start, filter, whatever...) and set the value right there.

very fast and precise way to dial in the exact values you want instead of having to real-time record your QLINK fader movements.

Agree with sooty there. +1
Also the Qlink to Quantize and shuffle were bloody brilliant features in grid edit and are sorely missed. I posted about in other thread of course but IMO that needs to be put back in there. And it does not seem to conflict with above ideas and the Qlinks are doing nothing anyways.

So getting a mpc again for portable needs, so is the consensus xl is still better in terms of 0s3?.

Sooty_G wrote:

Nym wrote:
i also absolutely want quick param editing in GRID mode. i like the new MOVE function, but i think we should be able to hit WINDOW while hovering over notes to edit their parameters (velocity, position, duration, etc).

i like this request a lot! if you haven't already, send it to JJ. this sort of functionality is a must in GRID EDIT.

i would like to see all QLINK values available in this same window as well, especially now that NOTE ON variation has returned.

so you hover over a note, hit the WINDOW key, and in addition to the standard velocity, position, duration, etc.. is a value called NOTE ON where you can rotate the scroll wheel to select the QLINK value you want (tune, sample start, filter, whatever...) and set the value right there.

very fast and precise way to dial in the exact values you want instead of having to real-time record your QLINK fader movements.

hang on... i've changed my mind on this.

the WINDOW key is already in use here, so that's out. but the new VIEW option (F5)...

that is perfect for this! i really love this new feature that he's added. right now it gives you a fast and easy way to view and edit the velocity & position of events with great visual feedback. the framework is right there and very easy to access. all he needs to do is add duration & the NOTE ON values to it. you can even switch from pad to pad easily with the up/down cursor keys.

Interesting.

Apparently JJ has changed the program files again.

It took me like half an hour to figure out why I'm loading a project, and my sounds are in the memory, and my sounds are assigned in the project,
but I'm not getting any sound.

So I've got to redo all that.

I'm glad that I've switched over now before I go to much farther.

Yeah I could reinstall 2xl and load a beat,
but I dont like switching between OS's.

In fact I could live without the switch to free OS option on boot up.

The only major problem I'm having is now when I save to autoload,
I cant just hit a.load, do it, do it.

I get the "no return address" deal.

I can still select the auto load folder old school style,
but just hitting 3 buttons like it was on 2XL was a real workflow saver.

Other then that,
most of the advantages seem to be beyond my capability right now,
have to find where effects have been re-positioned,
but works just as good.

Some graphic weirdness.

TYPO wrote:They are different voicing of the M7 chord going up.

yep they are indeed inversions, and not different minor scale.

i think it's worth mentioning to peeps that this OS is very buggy right now.

check the bug reports forum. i found 4 or 5 pretty major bugs in like 10 minutes of use. plus i had the MPC hard crash on me twice.

i'm not using my MPC for anything crucial right now so i can afford to mess around & bug hunt.
but if you've got a project you are working on or a gig coming up, i would stay well clear for now.

i think there is a really good foundation here for quite possibly the best MPC OS yet, but JJ has got some work to do first.

Nym wrote:how did this "no ndc" misconception get started?

Well first of all, JJ doesn't have a chapter called 'non-destructive chop' for JJOS 3 / 128 (as he has for OS2XL. Secondly, in his comparison chart (http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/chart.htm) he states himself that NDC is not supported in OS 3.
And last but not least, the NDC you seem to talk about is very reduced in its functionality. You mean the "Sample2" window in program mode, right? But as far as I understand, I can only change the chopping regions by changing start and end point NUMBERS, without seeing the actual waveform... and this is a major drawback in my opinion. Or do I miss something?

Another thing: It took me quite a while until I realized JJ introduced a new screen for looping parts of a sequence (accessible via window button from main screen). Quite handy But in Grid Edit mode, when holding 'loop' (F6) I can adjust to loop 1 or 2 bars. But if my sequence has more than two bars, I am not able to loop the whole sequence. Anything I did overlook?

jakoby84 wrote:

Nym wrote:how did this "no ndc" misconception get started?

Well first of all, JJ doesn't have a chapter called 'non-destructive chop' for JJOS 3 / 128 (as he has for OS2XL. Secondly, in his comparison chart (http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/chart.htm) he states himself that NDC is not supported in OS 3.
And last but not least, the NDC you seem to talk about is very reduced in its functionality. You mean the "Sample2" window in program mode, right? But as far as I understand, I can only change the chopping regions by changing start and end point NUMBERS, without seeing the actual waveform... and this is a major drawback in my opinion. Or do I miss something?

Another thing: It took me quite a while until I realized JJ introduced a new screen for looping parts of a sequence (accessible via window button from main screen). Quite handy But in Grid Edit mode, when holding 'loop' (F6) I can adjust to loop 1 or 2 bars. But if my sequence has more than two bars, I am not able to loop the whole sequence. Anything I did overlook?

Don't want to be that guy... but if you had read even a few comments up in this thread, people were describing that the waveform is displayed on the trip screen. press the Function keys pgmmode and pgm s/e. It is laggy and a little more work than previously, but it's there.