NEW JJ OS V2!!!

Notes
1. There is no screen of MODE+PAD7(PROGRAM).
2. The program and sample to an internal memory, save/load is cannot.
3. There is no internal sound of a metronome. (Only CLICK and SAMPLE)
4. The filter 2 was deleted.
5. There is not 4 of a layer.



6. changed part of a program
The curve of velocity pair volume changes.
If you look at the site you'll see he put back the velocity layer switching. We still lose a 4th layer which I can work around and we still lose a filter too. We also lose the internal sound for the metronome (although I'm damn sure a lot of us don't even need thas as we can use the click or assign our own sample).

JJ just restored my faith in OS2 again. (Not that I lost it anyway. The way I've been working in OS1, I don't see how to go wrong trying ut OS2).

see. this is why it pays to let JJ know about these things. if something bothers us we got to speak up & let him know. he is still changing things & making decisions about the os. it's not set in stone.

i don't know why he is so determined to kill off all of the velocity-related things in the os, tho. he gave us back velocity switching but now he took away velocity control of the pitch, amp, & filter! this is really hurting the live use of the machine. you lose a lot of expressiveness when you kill that stuff.

you know what? considering the possibilities of simult, i'd gladly go down to only 2 layers in favor of keeping all velocity-parameter functions.

you could just as easily simult 2 pads for the previous sum of 4 layers.
nothing would be lost, and actually more parameters would be gained this way...

the more i think about it the better this is...there are so many pads on the mpc (A01-D16) and i know for sure that i don't use them all for stuff like drums or chopped samples. (multisampled programs, of course i do, but in those cases you're usually only using 1 layer!)

we can currently pack 4 samples onto every pad. 4x64=256 samples.

as of now, jjos2 allows 3x64=192.
potentially, it could be 2x64=128 samples per program....

128 samples times our 99 programs = 12,672 samples.

have you used even close to 12,672 samples lately? no? well, w/ 128 mgs of ram, if you ever DID want to load 12,672 samples, they could average to about 10.01 kilobytes apiece. that's possible. tiny little clips, but hell, it's 12,672 samples we're talking about.

if you for some sadistic reason wanted to load 25,344 samples (possible with 4 samples per pad) each would have to be about 5 kilobytes apiece. that's a TINY little snippet of audio. i doubt this has ever been accomplished in mpc1000 history - yet it's possible.

in short, we wouldn't notice that the sky came down a little closer to our heads, the numbers are that big...

yeah, layers doesnt definently worry me that much. But loosing the filter 2 thing is a real annoying thought to me. Maybe what you antonym suggested about destructive EQ in trim mode would solve the problem, but I wonder if it use less space in code than one silly filter?

like i said, velocity layers x4 > now 3 aint so bad - so far any velocity layering ive done rarely hits 4 voices. also though as someone above pointed out.....no more vel>env mod?

the removal of velocity control of amp/filter envs is a bad loss for me, theres not one program ive done that doesnt exploit this very expressive envelope modulation......aftertouch is useful for other things - its gonna be good to use, but its not as important for me because its not related to the immediate note on events, it is AFTERtouch....i need velocity env mod.

this V2 for me is getting marginally worse every time i check whats going on.

i mean really, tell me - what IS being added thats soooo strong that the basics are getting removed?

this for me really is nailing it to the ceiling,
i use vel>sstart, amp/filt env's, pitch - the lot, i also use 2nd filters.

jj's slowly prising out one very committed - heavy OS user/bug finder/jj advocate all across the world.....sssshhhhooooot,

except the ironic reality is, that the lil fukka's still gonna peel my 40$ off me - just 'cos i need to see the other features in action....not that i'll prolly even use V2 much - not the way ive been working so far....some goon mentioned "thinking out the box", how arrogant! no mpc1000 purchase is doing that....its a fkin mpc1000 for chrissake! - hardly a chromeplated anal skiffle board retrofit to deep blue.... this is just a feature filled os for a different KIND of user as i'm coming to realise, just not THIS user.

Antonym wrote:you know what? considering the possibilities of simult, i'd gladly go down to only 2 layers in favor of keeping all velocity-parameter functions.

you could just as easily simult 2 pads for the previous sum of 4 layers.
nothing would be lost, and actually more parameters would be gained this way...

I would gladly go down to one layer if you could simult 4 pads at once.

that way you could just have your "layers" on bank b, c, and d of the same pad

thats such a crap workaround tho'.

powerfull simplicity in this V1OS is being eaten away like swiz cheese.

thats such a **** workaround tho'.

it's really, really not. look at what you're doing - it's clearly not an issue, especially if it brings back velocity-filter.

i'm sorry i missed the part where it can bring back vel>filter......please elaborate

that part's an assumption. from our perspective we know that there's too much going on at the pad level. presumably, if each pad had 2 levels instead of 4, that would lighten the load enough to allow vel>filter, etc.

presumably. i'm just expressing potentials.

exactly, nothing concrete, like the removal is very much more concrete - unless i visibly contest it.....forever heheh.

gunmetal wrote:

thedvs01 wrote:

`TK wrote:the only reqeust i have is... more effects..
if i have reverb or compressor or whaeffer on my kick.. and a delay on my snare.. then thats it... only 2.. how sad is that..

re sample

REAL TALK.


Besides. all of this talk about losing filter 2 is silly/serious at the same time. i aint going to lie... i use filter 2 like a muthafu**** but Im not sweating it tho' since i have a more than a few hardware filters/effects racks and samplers in my arsenal. and im a firm beliver in resampling.
128 mb is alot of sample time and pitching up your sample via record player or mpc then timestretching and sampling monophonicly triples the time you have.

delete, layer, or move on.

by the way. those extra holes in the baok of your mpc 1000 are VERY useful... find an hardware filter or effects rack and youll be fine

and if you guys use software... wow. just bounce the wav/sample internal by resampling or externally to reason, ableton live, audacity, acid, fruity loops... whatever. and if you love it hands on... load the treated wav. back into the mpc. and start fiddling with the program so it can work in a live application
either way there is a billion ways around losing a velocity layer and a filter...

when the need strikes and hunger sets in. youll find a way to get the sound that you want or even better than you expected than what initially came out of the mpc.
i wonder if jj will get rid of that punk @$$ bit grunger effect...

i dont mind the reverb or delay. but it can go. i use the internal compressors and eq. alot. but whatever everything else is trivial because the mpc 1000 in my opinion is the first step in the production process. in the end everything can be tracked out and layered accordingly outside the mpc via daw's and multitrack recorders, compressor racks, analog filters, pre amps, mixers and bouncing wav.s/ tracks whatever kids call it now a days ...


we came along way with this os yall. it's time to embrace change. and think outside the box.

If the OS you use is good for what you produce then save your money. keep what you got. and keep producing.

sometimes you gotta lose some things in order to advance or gain.

im willing to continue with this revolutionary progress and will drop $40 in their paypal account hands down.

they deserve it.


and i cant wait to get my hands on this monster.

So u have hardware effects.. ! good for you... i don't !!! and i laready paid 1500 for my mpc... !!!
i track everything down in cubase and i do it there... no problem..
+ the 3k is my main piece i use.. 25k is just for pads and high quality sounds. i do resample allot in the 950 to.
i was just saying it would be pretty cool to have these onboard nahmean..
and to all ya.. im pretty sure jj knows what he is doing so plz wait with all this... panic makers lol

well well well.....

discusion is getting hot...
everyone's got different opinion....
let's formalize it or sth
a list of things we don't want to use and we don't want to loose


personally
i am unhappy loosing few things from 4.9 os
2 os looks great but is a tough deal

let's get jj to work out


peace