First Pro I know of using JJ OS

DirtyBird wrote:if you make a living off of music doesn't make you a pro- and vise versa- some of the best beat makers have a day job- because to them it's an art and not just a hustle- someday their creative talents might pay off- but beatmaking is an art- first and foremost- if it makes you money then good- but as soon as you start relyin on beatmaking to pay the bills- the soul more often than not is immediately drained from the music- if you got to stress "is this song gonna sell" then your creativity is severely inhibited

well said. i agree entirely.

distortedtekno wrote:

DirtyBird wrote:if you make a living off of music doesn't make you a pro- and vise versa- some of the best beat makers have a day job- because to them it's an art and not just a hustle- someday their creative talents might pay off- but beatmaking is an art- first and foremost- if it makes you money then good- but as soon as you start relyin on beatmaking to pay the bills- the soul more often than not is immediately drained from the music- if you got to stress "is this song gonna sell" then your creativity is severely inhibited

well said. i agree entirely.

that's total bulls***.... all the best music ever has been made by people that devote their lives to music.....
ur just p***ed cos you never cracked it.
conversely, sometimes the only people who can devote their lives to music, or have the funds to live for years b4 they crack it, are rich kids. shame

I think people are focusing on the wrong thing, and huh... I guess you have to be from anywhere other than planet "East Coast" to know who David Banner is.

DirtyBird wrote:if you make a living off of music doesn't make you a pro- and vise versa- some of the best beat makers have a day job- because to them it's an art and not just a hustle- someday their creative talents might pay off- but beatmaking is an art- first and foremost-

not to get technical or anything but uh...

pro is short for professional which means that that's your profession or job which means you support yourself doing it.

if beatmaking is an art to you and you never make any money off of it than technically you're not a professional, which doesn't mean that you're beats aren't dope.

that's total bulls***.... all the best music ever has been made by people that devote their lives to music.....
ur just p***ed cos you never cracked it.
conversely, sometimes the only people who can devote their lives to music, or have the funds to live for years b4 they crack it, are rich kids. shame
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I have devoted my life to music- ever since picking up the clarinet in 6th grade- I just have to scrub toilets/and clean sht (make money to pay for life) in between making music- I don't want to be a bum- so I work- but my life is still dedicated to and revolves around music- and no I'm not pissed that I never cracked it- I still have a chance- and if I don't- I don't really give a sht- I own a house- I already made it without relying on my passion to pay for it-

not to get technical or anything but uh...

pro is short for professional which means that that's your profession or job which means you support yourself doing it.

if beatmaking is an art to you and you never make any money off of it than technically you're not a professional, which doesn't mean that you're beats aren't dope.

well I didn't break out the dictionary- but if you're correct on the definition of pro then yes you got me- but to me pro means if you are excellent at somehting

soundasleep wrote:not to get technical or anything but uh...

pro is short for professional which means that that's your profession or job which means you support yourself doing it.

if beatmaking is an art to you and you never make any money off of it than technically you're not a professional, which doesn't mean that you're beats aren't dope.

I second that!

rhickey wrote:So since a few people here apparently make a decent sum from beats, might i ask how you guys got your foot in the door?

not to sound like a dick but-- move to atlanta. You cant go anywhere without randomly running into people and the scene in general, while still somwhat cliquey, is more generous/helpful than any ive been around.

you gotta outgrind everyone... Make more beats, sleep less, beat battle more, shake some hands, approach everyone at gas stations and realize you have to take a lot of "no's" before anything ever pops off. i got to where im at by actually telling myself that my first 8 years of productions were good even tho they sucked. Most people are too honest with themselves, cant see (even a false) light at the end of the tunnel and quit before they ever got really hot. the last three years have been very kind/generous to me.

mission wrote: the last three years have been very kind/generous to me.

Wow! That's a blessing bro! My homie is meeting some A&R's from Aftermath today. He lives down the street from me. These dreams aint far.

good advice^^^^

soundasleep wrote:

DirtyBird wrote:if you make a living off of music doesn't make you a pro- and vise versa- some of the best beat makers have a day job- because to them it's an art and not just a hustle- someday their creative talents might pay off- but beatmaking is an art- first and foremost-

.....pro is short for professional which means that that's your profession or job which means you support yourself doing it.
.......if beatmaking is an art to you and you never make any money off of it than technically you're not a professional, which doesn't mean that you're beats aren't dope.

both these points here are valid to me, i mean that its about excellence, also the word 'pro' does imply that there is a living being made - but both could be perfecting their craft.

for some the 'job' aspect just extinguishes any innate 'desire' to keep at it. like its as if as soon as they get paid for doing something they've been doing in the past for the love of it (hobby etc, or lack commercial success yet) - and suddenly its now the living earner and that the cashflow from beats must be maintained at the expense of creativity.....although for some it just fuels the fire that keeps a guy honing his/her ideas down and the added freedom to make beats all day & night for a living - without the need for any dayjob getting in the way. some dudes thrive.

hobby or jobby - all can be what i call a 'pro', for me the words' a complement for anyone doing it better than the rest.

QUOTE WIKIPEDIA:

Professional =
engaged in a profession or engaging in as a profession or means of livelihood; "the professional man or woman possesses distinctive qualifications ...

quality has nothing to do with it, you can be rubbish and still be a pro

true in real terms....pro's are making a living at it, and pro's can be rubbish.

its often the new blood from underground that steals the limelight amongst all the unimaginative - often playsafe mainstream mass - mostly people who have been making a living at it for some time - so the non-pro get my vote most of the time.....

DirtyBird wrote:if you make a living off of music doesn't make you a pro- and vise versa- some of the best beat makers have a day job- because to them it's an art and not just a hustle- someday their creative talents might pay off- but beatmaking is an art- first and foremost- if it makes you money then good- but as soon as you start relyin on beatmaking to pay the bills- the soul more often than not is immediately drained from the music- if you got to stress "is this song gonna sell" then your creativity is severely inhibited

couldn't have said it better myself. forget the haters here. they are probaly the same guys I f*&k with that have BA's in sound audio engineer'ing and have no idea how to use their equipment. funny really.

whether or not you think somebody's good is your perception, a producer that has a certain number of spins on the radio is doing something right.

I also did the battles and curently work out of Atlanta and what I've noticed by some of our sample based (Tradional Hip Hop producers) is that alot of them hate on the keyboard based producers... They think if it ain't a sample it ain't bumpin, yet keyboards dominate the airwaves. People call southern beatz dumned down just like our lyrics but when I see sample based producers try and do keyboard tracks they can't duplicate the emotion.

My point is.. Banner makes alot of hot tracks and he may not sample alot (just mabey he likes publishing checks) But he's great and its seems everyones tryina say somethin slick but they're not on so they can't.

Peace
i.e. Kanye got DJ Toomp (a Keyboard guy) for his hits and the sounds blended well... work together and stop the subliminal hatin.