NEW JJ OS V2!!!

Balls wrote:As mkl said. The FX are good for what they are there for. I use them alot too, and i would really appreciate them not being removed. I find the comp very ruff and nice, and the reverb is very poor, but it has its sound.. I hate when people talk about removing features that you use..!

i hate when people don't read properly...

i don't know. all this talk about removing effects & putting sine waves in the mpc... not interested.

the mpc is a SAMPLER. i bought it to play & manipulate SAMPLES. it's got pads & sliders & it's a self-contained piece of hardware. perfect for hands-on realtime use & quick beatmaking. but to try and use it for synth duties would be a major pain in the a$$.

to all those getting excited about sine waves in the mpc, get a synth! you can even sequence it from your mpc. even the cheapest most basic synth will be way more flexible than the mpc plus you'll have the keyboard & a bunch of sliders & knobs on the synth to interact with. the mpc is ill suited to function as a synth! you'll have to go thru all this prep work to load up & assign the sines to pads & set all the filters & aftertouch & layers, etc. etc. just to get a basic sound... forget that! just power up a synth & hit some keys on the keyboard! midi it up to your mpc & you're set.

as for the mpc fx, i use them all the time. i want more fx not less! of course they sound like crap. when something sounds that bad you don't use it, you abuse it! i get all sorts of crazy textures & weird sounds out of the mpcs effects. give me q-link & aftertouch control over all of those parameters & you can do even more with them. the point is that they are all realtime (like filter 2 !!). you can easily change the sound & the mix on the fly if you want to, none of this resampling krap. if i want stuff to sound all lush etc., then you can go with the external gear.

i know it's still early in the game but i'm still not sure exactly where jj is going with this os. since backwards compatibilty is shot jj should be more bold with the os, take it in a specific direction & make it excel at that. instead it seems like this os is trying to expand & do a little bit of everything but to do that he starts pulling features and then you end up weakening the whole thing.

since he has about 3 months planned for just adding stuff, i wish he would put a list on his site of all the stuff he is planning on adding to the os so we get a better idea of where he is going with this.

down wi' g... couldnt agree more, re:fx, sines. synth-ness, we've got it all (outside the mpc) why try to bring all them into the mpc? its madness.


all i ever really wanted extra was adsr, mbe live chops...i for one prolly wont be using this os2 at all.

not in the state its in at the mo anyways

Maybe I am just short sighted but I feel sort of the same way. I am looking foward to the grid preview and non destructive chopping but a bunch of features that people use being taken out just so the MPC can be expanded to a synth? I have a synth for all that. If I wanna do that I can just load a new patch on my R3 and manipulate from there, and much better im sure. Maybe people are looking to do to much from just this one box. Sometimes you gotta take it somewhere else, or you just get a overall mediocre product that can do alot of things, so so. I'm not saying good things wont come from this eventually, just a little weary since fist announcemnet.

ok then please GTFO all of you.

sheesh, you're spoiling the whole thread with this whiny bullcrap
you have so little grasp of what's going on, it's killing me and really trying my patience.

OS2 is going to happen the way it's going to happen.
if it doesn't include you, too bad.

the mpc is not a guitar pedal. stop dreaming about wacky effects.

as for "all the work" involved in generating new sounds, jesus dudes get a grip. making music takes time - in this case, MAYBE all of 3 minutes to cook up a decent waveform synth program. get real. that is not a significant investment, i don't care how busy you are.

also, you do realize you can SAVE programs, correct?

sorry. i know you're all just very interested. however, the speed at which you write things off is alarming.

this isn't the direction in which jj is taking OS1. OS1 is OSDONE. update for bugs every now and then, but it's a wrap.

OS2 is your SOMETHING NEW. it offers more features of the 4000.

after all, i've SEEN it and i'm telling you, it's some cool stuff in there.
have i not earned your trust?

We dont have the resources you do Nym. Just curious thats all. I havent read most of the other posts either so a few pages of bitching would probably get on my nerves as well. Can't blame some of us for being cautious consumers considering how much we've all had to come outta the pocket . Anyways, yeah, we should focus more on the possiblities instead of limitations.

i know. you're all cool on my pages.

"considering how much we've all had to come outta the pocket"
$30 plus the price of a used 1000 not bad for all the features we gained.
As for OS2 stop the Pessimistic attitudes. $39 for the possibilities to do more on one box is great. I would have killed for a machine like this when the ASR 10 was introduced for what $2000.

let me vibe a little bit on the possibilities and dopeness of aftertouch.
as far as chopped samples go, aftertouch is the best. previously, the most i was doing was chopping a sample, rearranging the loop or leaving it as is, playing it, and glitching it every now and then. on occasion, i'd do a realtime filtersweep via qlink. aftertouch-filter gives us a whole new, far more realistic edge when playing in our chopped samples.

as i see it, os2 is every bit as much a groovebox as os1 was, but os2 offers far more in terms of melodic patches, in-mpc instruments and chopped sample control.

Do you mean like when you mean like sometimes I use the velocity to have a sample come in soft to loud, but with after touch you can apply a filter to it so when I hit it gradually harder the sample will like "open up" or damper? I can see how if you choped something up note for note then replayed it back via the pads or keyboard you could probably add your own funk or expression to the notes almost as if you played that instrument yourself.

That non destructive chop seems so useful. I am such a scatterbrain and am so sloopy when putting together a sequence chopping over and over to see what variations I have. Shit turns into a mess real quick. I need to be more methodical so it's easier to go back to unfinished stuff lol.

i thought aftertouch (very usefull on a keyboard) only occurs with yer finger still held on the pad, the reality of me keeping my fingers on pads to filter them expressively after i hit it and the the sounds finished is no way as cool as the detail gained from hitting the pad at diff velocities...- variation in an instant - there's real modulation, but holding pads down all over the place could put me off a bit.

Could there be a way to make PURGE faster?

Do you mean like when you mean like sometimes I use the velocity to have a sample come in soft to loud, but with after touch you can apply a filter to it so when I hit it gradually harder the sample will like "open up" or damper?

no, nebulous, what you're describing is velocity filter modulation, which you can already do in os1. in os2, it's VELOCITY>EG in the filter screen.

aftertouch is exactly what it sounds like - a readout of your pressure levels after the note as been registered. i imagine this to be best for bass, where you could set a sine on 1 pad and simult a square on another. set aftertouch to low filter on the square, hit a pad and tremble your finger for a warbling, talking bass.

but holding pads down all over the place could put me off a bit.

so i'm to assume you never use the NOTE ON function? if aftertouch is very useful on a keyboard, why wouldn't it be just as useful on an mpc?

primebeatz wrote:Could there be a way to make PURGE faster?

doubtful. purge goes through every program you have to determine whether the sample is used or not. my suggestion would be to not bulk-load, ie load a 50 megabyte folder of kicks just to preview them all to find the right one. granted that's not as good as a faster purge, but it's on way of doing it.