OS2 PAD PATTERN

i personnaly think that the only reason to use step edit is to automate some parameters we don't have in grid edit (effects, program change etc...)

yeah, i agree

nym can you explain more preciselly what happen in the video?
what are the litlle numbers in the grid?pad assignement?

yeah, that or TUNE. you can specify on the left: TUNE or PAD. if you do TUNE, it's like 16 levels: utilizing note on qparameters. if you do PAD, the actual other pad is triggered.

AND, if you are recording while you hit the pad on which this pattern is assigned, all pads used are recorded, not just the original pattern pad. this is a particularly nice touch.

yeah ccs appear to be coming at/after 1.00, but i do not know for certain. what i gave first was the concrete example, and i'll augment this when more information is needed.

thank you very much

thanks for your info nym, you've done a good job of describing these new realms.

it will begin playing whenever and wherever you strike it.

ok cool thats what i thought , and hoped it would do at first, but after seeing the video i thought it might be a slightly different approach to step sequencing..like a JJ version of the reason redrum. but thankfully seems like its got way more potential than that, stroke of g(j)enius you could say.

what it WONT do is play again until the first pattern stops. ie, the patterns are a different type of MONOPHONIC, that is they do not overlap and they have a sense of DURATION attributed to them

I hadn't anticipated that it might operate like this though, still incredibly powerful, ...but being able to retrigger these mother hubbards would be unbelievable...

can you have different pattern tempos?

Hmmm... can a pad mode in pattern mode trigger other pads in pattern mode? It's already sick, but that would truely be the sickest. BTW, thanks for the trailblazing info.

Hmmm... can a pad mode in pattern mode trigger other pads in pattern mode? It's already sick, but that would truely be the sickest. BTW, thanks for the trailblazing info.

no, pad patterns cannot trigger one another. though that would be cool.

can you have different pattern tempos? Embarassed

no, pad pattern is inherently dependent on the sequence tempo.

nym - correct me if i'm wrong - can you create a snare roll for example - and have each hit within the pattern have a different fine tune - so it's like more human sounding?

this pad pattern - is something else...

also would be great if jj could add also a humanising function like the roland R8 series.

hey Nym, thanks for the info:

a couple points re: pad pattern

Nym wrote:what it WONT do is play again until the first pattern stops. ie, the patterns are a different type of MONOPHONIC, that is they do not overlap and they have a sense of DURATION attributed to them.

this is a big weakness in my opinion. it seems like the most obvious thing that you would want to do with pad patterns is re-trigger them and have them start from the beginning of the pattern (like IMMEDIATE START in NEXT SEQ screen) and also have different patterns overlap. i seriously hope this is something JJ plans to add in down the line. we may be running into cpu limitations tho. i also have a feeling this could also eat up voices like crazy.

i also think it's important for the patterns to be able to have an independent tempo, even if it is just divisions of the main sequence tempo (25%, 50%, 75%, 200% 300%, etc.)

here's a question: lets say you have a pre-existing sequence recorded. can you switch pad pattern on and off & tweak the patterns while the sequencer is running?

Nym wrote:yeah ccs appear to be coming at/after 1.00, but i do not know for certain. what i gave first was the concrete example, and i'll augment this when more information is needed.

did you let jj know about the 'midi learn' idea? i really think he should know about that up front just in case it is a possibility. i know if i was jj, i would be pissed if i coded up the cc -> qlink stuff & then found out about this midi learn thing that people want and now i have to go back in and re-code everything. let him know everything up front so he doesn't end up having to re-do work if it comes to that & maybe he can start laying the framework now while he's in there working on the cc stuff to make it easier for himself down the road.

yeah that was in the original description so like you said the possibility for framework is there, but it's my completely unfounded hunch that we won't see it at first.

this is a big weakness in my opinion. it seems like the most obvious thing that you would want to do with pad patterns is re-trigger them and have them start from the beginning of the pattern (like IMMEDIATE START in NEXT SEQ screen) and also have different patterns overlap. i seriously hope this is something JJ plans to add in down the line.

me too. the way it's implemented now is like "next sequence." if you hit 1 pattern while it's already playing, it waits until the 1st is done and then plays the 2nd. i mean, this is pretty great too, for performance reasons: you can "play into the future." however, i'd LOVE polyphonic patterns, too, as you described. i wouldn't worry about cpu limitation and voice, though. well, voice, yeah - i am constantly runnin out of voices - but this doesn't strike me as a CPU thang

i also think it's important for the patterns to be able to have an independent tempo, even if it is just divisions of the main sequence tempo (25%, 50%, 75%, 200% 300%, etc.)

luckily, in a way they do. since you can input the notes basically wherever, it's your choice what division of the main seq tempo you want to put em in at. in short, you have as much control over where notes go in pad pattern as you do with TC off in midi grid edit.

here's a question: lets say you have a pre-existing sequence recorded. can you switch pad pattern on and off & tweak the patterns while the sequencer is running?

from within 6 pad grid edit's PATTERN edit, ala video 2, yes you can. it's a little funky but it's doable.

access to pad pattern has been removed from the main screen.
i believe note number has been returned, rather than turning pad pattern on/off from the main screen.
apparently it caused a problem. in .90, pad pattern is entered through mode-pad 11. this is a step in the right direction, i think.

so anyone have a idea how to send this to your grid edit?