project files getting scrambled with 2500 jjos 3.10

i read somewhere here that the safest way to save was to SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY
which is what iv been doing up to now

last night i saved a project into a file with some other projects and it seems to have wiped all the sequence data in the projects that were all ready in those files and replaced them with blank sequences with the same name as the last sequence i used in the last project that i saved. it has also replaced alot of the original program names with the program name of the last program i was using.

all the samples that were in the old projects are still there so all is not lost i suppose but still gutting to lose all that work.

i was able to recreate the scrambleing by just saving a blank project file in the same folder, all the sequence names and BPM and programs names in the old projects were changed to the the same as the last project saved in that folder!

it dosent do it if i saved to a separate folder so now im thinking
. ONLY ONE PROJECT TO A FOLDER! is this right? seems strange, as before the scrambeling happend i had 3 or 4 projects sitting happily in that folder not inseminating there file names into one and other.

i guess what im asking is has this been happening to anyone else?
do i have a problem with my software or hd?
is this important-ONLY ONE PROJECT TO A FOLDER!?
is there anything esle i need to know about saving to avoid losing work?

thanks in advance for any insight.
even if its just that you had the same problem.
cheers

Yes, You should always create a new folder for each project.

thanks tribecalledquest.

are there any more no no's to do with saving you can think of that people should know about?

save entire memory into a newly created folder for each new project you're working on...

and then when loading... select the entire folder and use the CLEAR function.

CLEAR ? ? ?

Jandpoint wrote:CLEAR ? ? ?

did i stutter, muthafugga??

When you choose load entire project, all samples and sequences are cleared and replaced with the new data

so say you have a project in a folder - you load up entire folder. it says something like caution will clear entire memory.- do it-

then you make a few changes like write a couple of new sequences using all the same samples and programs.

then you need to make a new folder to put the only slightly changed project in?

is this right?

also it would be good if some one could write a quick description of how they are organizing their hard drive in there mpc to allow them to quickly get a hold of what they want to work with that session.

at the moment im just scrolling through lists of samples auditioning them and loading them up in a pretty haphazard way. like are people making folders full of programs. is there any limit to how many programs can go in a folder?

is it just projects that need their own folder?

im sure some of the more organized mpc heads round here will have superior saving methodology would be really good to hear it.
cheers

u-p-g-r-a-a-a-d-e. wrote:so say you have a project in a folder - you load up entire folder. it says something like caution will clear entire memory.- do it-

then you make a few changes like write a couple of new sequences using all the same samples and programs.

then you need to make a new folder to put the only slightly changed project in?

is this right?

no. don't make a new folder. just save back into the same folder as before, but when the mpc asks you if you want to overwrite the old stuff say YES.

each song you are working on should have its own folder. save EVERYTHING associated with that song into the folder: the samples, sequences, programs, etc...

luckily, you don't have to worry about the details of this. just select SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY in the SAVE screen and the MPC will do all this for you. when the MPC does this, it also creates something called a PROJECT file. by default it names this 'PROJECT01' and saves it into the folder with everything else.

later, when you want to work on that song again. go into the folder & load the PROJECT file. when you do that the MPC will load everything you had loaded before when you were working on that song. the PROJECT file is just a pointer to all the data associated with the song that you need. it just tells the MPC "here is what we need to load and here is where it is located".

every time you work on the song always SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY when you are done and save over all the old stuff (including the samples, since sample start/end & loop data is stored within the samples themselves). this will make sure all the changes you just made are saved and will keep all the data in sync. when you want to work on that song again, don't worry about loading the entire folder, just load the PROJECT file & the MPC will load everything for you.

all this stuff is in the FAQ in this forum, so make sure you read it!!!

Sooty-g thanks for that- makes alot of sense.


Q: What's the best way to save my work?
A: Create a new folder and select the option 'SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY'.

i remember now where i read to save entire memory now it was actually the jjos faq.
shame i had selective recall and forgot the part about making a new folder.
oh well-live and learn

thought the faq might be improved with a few of your words Sooty-g
something like.

Q: What's the best way to save my work?
A: Create a new folder and select the option 'SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY'.
the first file in the folder will be a project file (prj) its icon is PJ
the PROJECT file is just a pointer to all the data associated with the song that you need. it just tells the MPC "here is what we need to load and here is where it is located".
IMPORTANT only save one project file in each folder or you risk corrupting existing project files.

just a thought might save someone agro in the future.

Jandpoint sorry man i dont speak spanish. i put your post through google translate.
here's what i got back

Spanish to English translation
yes sir !!!!! upgraaade
personally
I came thinking about this some time ago.
tuned because I think it's a great post.

everyone will hear you say;

the best way to save a project, is in one folder !!!!!

I have no problem in saying
because I do not Shagged anyone, how I have to do things

but it arises a situation, well, some time ago ...
if I'm working today
and I want to load a sequence that I did yesterday,
impossible to remove the folder with the draft yesterday,
what I mean?
therefore need another method to save ...., what would emerge at a given time. (Which would be solely and exclusively carry the sequence of past, imagining that we did ten sequences, only want to load one in particular that is what we remember that we liked, and we want to continue working on it today with the sequences .
seems, that people work with mpc, day by day, as I've been doing for a long time.
but I may be wrong in the way of working, as I believe they are those who only saved in Draft mode. (For what I'm saying).

or something, or having a very quiet all these people who both know. (Well yes, will they know to be quiet, that's a lot .... jejejeje, laughter ....)
I think ...

I is not me, I know that I know what I know, and I also think I screw, but hey .....
no one appreciates me my wisdom, call it.

therefore, we are .... while someone we remember ...
thanks guys !!!!! or cats .... as they say here ...
I do remember .... hehe ...
like many others ... until they disappear .... and then?? you will say .....

sorry, but my language is Spanish.
and I choose to speak in my language as a recognized user of this great forum, I offered to do so,
Nevertheless, they provide for the universality (the understanding and comprehension), then I to you, if they understand you, and learn, I'd say that is the most important.

Thanks to all who aportais the world of mpc's ...

greetings ...

pedro. (Peter).

well if that translation is at all accurate id be suprised! . anyway greetings Pedro.

i think i get the basics of some of what your saying. as for the rest ... not so much

i think it may help you to put Sooty-g's post through google translate.

here is what i will be doing.

end of day 1- make new folder save entire memory into it name project file.

day 2 load first project file - change a load of stuff. if im sure its an improvement simply overwrite the original project file with the new one. as Sooty-g said.

or

if i have made alot of changes and im not sure enough that im going in the right direction to overwrite the original project file. but it is interesting enough to keep

i will just put a new folder in the first folder and save the new altered project file into that.

this way, i can go back to any point in the songs developement and work on from that point. all ways loading up the project file not the folder = no worries!

i realise this is a wastefull way to do things, in terms of duplicated data in memory but i installed 160 g hd precisely for the reason that i know im an indecisive bastard whos much happier when he knows everything is being saved and can allways go back to before it all got messed up .

peace

u-p-g-r-a-a-a-d-e. wrote:end of day 1- make new folder save entire memory into it name project file.

day 2 load first project file - change a load of stuff. if im sure its an improvement simply overwrite the original project file with the new one. as Sooty-g said.

or

if i have made alot of changes and im not sure enough that im going in the right direction to overwrite the original project file. but it is interesting enough to keep i will just put a new folder in the first folder and save the new altered project file into that.

this way, i can go back to any point in the songs developement and work on from that point. all ways loading up the project file not the folder = no worries!

yep. that is exactly the right way to do it. only thing i would change is to not put subsequent project folders within the original project folder. instead, keep them all saved at the same root level but with a different folder name like MYTRACK, MYTRACK_2, MYTRACK_REMIX, MYTRACK_DUB, ...whatever. just makes it a little quicker to browse and see at a glance what you have. the alphabetical order will keep everything related next to each other in the list. you will have multiple copies of the same samples/sequences saved into different folders, but with an internal hd you won't need to worry about it. i only have a 40gb drive in mine & i'm not even close to filling it up.

keep everything organized with folder names. i have multiple versions of songs saved, each into their own folder: MYTRACK_1, MYTRACK_2, MYTRACK_3, etc... sometimes i only make a small tweak, sometimes the song gets altered radically, each gets a SAVE ENTIRE MEMORY into it's own folder with a new name. sometimes i'll come back a month later and like the original track better than the later versions, so it's good to have everything in its own folder so you don't lose anything. just make sure you BACK EVERYTHING UP TO YOUR COMPUTER FREQUENTLY in case your mpc hd has a problem.

i only have 3 root folders on my mpc hd: PROJECTS, SAMPLES, and AUTOLOAD.

PROJECTS = contains all the folders of my songs i'm working on just like we've been discussing. i used to have different project folders for os 1, os 2, and os2xl, but since i'm on os 2 fulltime now i just have the one. i backed all the others up to my computer and deleted them off my mpc hd.

AUTOLOAD = this is self explanatory. if you don't know what it is check the manual.

SAMPLES = contains all my samples. drum hits, loops, one shots, instrument samples, vocal samples... everything is in here organized into a ton of subfolders so i can find what i'm looking for pretty quickly. after a while of working & sampling you'll come up with a way of organizing your samples that makes sense to you.

yeah , thinking about it, what you said about keeping things at the same root level would make browsing much easier.

also

Sooty_G wrote:BACK EVERYTHING UP TO YOUR COMPUTER FREQUENTLY in case your mpc hd has a problem.

Noted!

thanks for taking the time to explain all this.

My first week of work on the mpc, totally scrambled because I didn't know this, synths on random patches drum kit's obliterated sequences de-sequenced. There was the bones of an album there, good solid funk. Balls..... wet sagging sweaty balls crushed against a thigh in tight jeans. Well this lesson won't be forgotten soon.

Thanks to those who posted here for illuminating what was happening as I was starting to wonder if I'd been making atonal crud and hallucinating premium electro.