Input Thru level decreased in XL2...

I have my Fantom set up to either go directly to the speakers or through a kaoss pad and into the Mp, then out the speakers. When I loaded the new XL version 2.01 and 2.02 the audio level is greatly decreased. I have reset all settings by holding erase and starting with a clean slate, but it hasn't helped. I reloaded XL version 1.47 and the level is back to normal. Is there a level adjustment? I'm pretty sure it's just a toggle switch type of thing that either allows audio through or not. With my setup I pretty much have to revert to an older version. Anyone else notice this?

Nope my audio thru is loud and same as older versions of XL,, on 1K with 2.0. Did u check all audio thru settings?

Left/right, stereo, etc,,
Filters
Input volume (actually can't remember if this exists or not)

havent checked with this update , but input thru volume is linked to your overall headroom settings. a factory reset will restore the headroom to -12db.

One interesting quirk is this : input thru volume will remain the same if you dont turn it off and on again after changing the headroom settings.

mikolo wrote:havent checked with this update , but input thru volume is linked to your overall headroom settings. a factory reset will restore the headroom to -12db.

One interesting quirk is this : input thru volume will remain the same if you dont turn it off and on again after changing the headroom settings.

Very interesting,, u probably hit the nail on the head,,

Bug fix v2.03 includes:

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4. The level of the audio track and Input Thru is decreasing.
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I just reported this yesterday at the same time I posted this. That's customer service right there. I know I've said it before, but JJ has proved that we all need to demand more from these large companies. If a bug can be reported and fixed within 24 hrs. by one man, then these major companies lie through their teeth. All praise to JJ. Amen.

EDIT: Thanks for the tips... I was all set to load it back up and trouble shoot today. I guess I no longer have to. Good lookin though.

wudsiba wrote:I just reported this yesterday at the same time I posted this. That's customer service right there. I know I've said it before, but JJ has proved that we all need to demand more from these large companies. If a bug can be reported and fixed within 24 hrs. by one man, then these major companies lie through their teeth. All praise to JJ. Amen.

Well, to play devil's advocate, JJ is operating under a different set of rules as essentially a rogue programmer... Not that I mind, thankyouverymuch, but it is what it is. If If big companies were free to operate this way with impunity, then we'd probably see a lot more innovation and a faster pace of development and deployment of new technologies and paradigms.

He doesn't have to worry about product support, tech support, product service, warranty repairs, upgrades, backwards compatibility, etc. He doesn't have a marketing department to contend with. He doesn't have an executive vision with which to fight over product direction. He doesn't have to worry about intentionally limiting product capability in order to sell new products. He doesn't have to go through rigorous alpha/betatesting protocols. He is free to break with established UI design and product history as he sees fit. He's not answerable to high profile end users. He doesn't have to worry about brand image. Etc.

I just wish he was a DSP programmer too... The 1k could use some better FX and filter algorithms.

mp3 i think this is what you've likely intended, but what you just is pretty much listed all of akai's faults and shortcomings. look at akai's track record with the 1k for "product/tech support, service, warranty repairs, upgrades, backwards compatibility...." EVERY one of those have been poorly handled by akai. even backwards compatibility. from os 1.07 to os 2.01 all your levels got fked because of a changing velocity curve default.

rigorous alpha/beta testing protocols? akai doesn't do that sh!t. clearly. jj uses the wave of early adopters he's established on these boards.

big companies are simply no longer the best option for many software products anymore. look at the daw market - barely any big name company has a good reputation for customer service, bug repair, etc...in fact, comparatively speaking, they're all gettin the CHRIST kicked outta them by a software company managed, run, and programmed by only THREE DEVELOPERS.

driven and committed independent developers are the way to go. all of the most exciting stuff in music tech is coming out of smaller groups, NOT these bloated parasitic entities who have to pay for marketing.

man the big software/hardware company bubble has POPPED. imo if it takes a salesman to sell the product, i ain't buyin.

if larger companies don't adapt to a more agile development market, they will get buried.

I wasn't being specific to akai, but the music tech industry (and its parent electronics industry) as a whole. But regardless of how horrible you may consider Akai's support to be, its still there and it still costs money. Money which comes, ultimately, from sales. Money which is not reinvested into R&D. (Again, just being the devil's advocate)

With respect to backwards compatibility, I can say this. Having used a 60mkII, then a 3000, when I decided to go with the 1000, it was already second nature before I even unboxed it. That's intentional.

big companies are simply no longer the best option for many software products anymore.

We agree there. With respect to software (and this is another advantage JJ has) the risk to reward ratio is MUCH lower. Not having to develop hardware (and assume all the risks that go with that), means the playing field is levelled between the big guys and the small development teams.

Reputations are just that. Prime example is Dell. Reputedly excellent customer support. Until you find out you need to spend $25k for them to actually let you talk to a real live human being Another consideration is that the small outfits have a much more personal attachment to the product. that means they take pride in supporting their customers. The big boys, they pay some stiff (who probably didn't originate the code and therefore isn't as familiar as he should be with it) to maintain and update the code, and another stiff to answer the phones.

At the end of the day, neither is inherently better than the other. The big guys and the little guys both work with a set of restraints. And at the end of the day, they both provide the marketplace with products that you and I use. I could easily point out the vast seas of abandonware... Or the legions of pure craptastic software out there. But that wasn't the point of my post.

man the big software/hardware company bubble has POPPED. imo if it takes a salesman to sell the product, i ain't buyin.

I suggest you look around your studio, and then the rest of your house, garage, closet, etc. and make note of all the brand names. I guarantee you there's at least one big brand name in your studio. There's probably at least five, but I'll guarantee one...

i do have big name pieces of hardware in my setup. you're right, there's no other(affordable) option.
before M-audio got bought by avid, they were a straight up company...now, no more. i got an m-audio keyboard and a couple m-audio soundcards but they are the last m-audio products i'll purchase (got em all used) due to deteriorating driver support (thanx avid)

but looky here
hardware tends to take a larger entity to put together. however, that's already starting to crumble. midi controllers, for example, are built by smaller groups, even smaller groups, and now finally workable prototypes at home by end users with little to know electronics and programming knowledge. we may see the simpler elements of the hardware market get changed just like we're seeing with the software side (still early in that game too though)

you say there's no inherent better in this blackrwite we got goin on and i'll agree. tons of independent programmers screw up, give bad support, etc...google DSK, what a tool. same, if a larger company TOOK A CHANCE and allowed their development team to have more of a say in the company's direction, they would be a company to support. however, i will go with an independent developer any day of the week because these are the folks who will be/are changing the game as we know it. THAT is the cusp, right there, and in music tech it's very hard/impossible to predict what brilliance is comin next.

biggest brand name in my studio - mackie or m-audio...or akai, but i don't say that name out loud more than 2 times for fear that justin barro will come out of the woodwork and bore me to death with self-aggrandizing akai propaganda.

M-Audio has always had driver issues. That's not Avid's doing. I bought an M-Audio soundcard in 2001 and it took almost a year of driver updates before it worked reliably with my system.

hardware tends to take a larger entity to put together. however, that's already starting to crumble. midi controllers, for example, are built by smaller groups

MIDI controllers aren't a very good example of a crumbling hardware industry (although I do agree its crumbling), because they're extremely simple devices, comparatively speaking. So again, it naturally follows that it takes a lesser investment, and thus smaller companies can compete successfully.

but i don't say that name out loud more than 2 times for fear that justin barro will come out of the woodwork and bore me to death with self-aggrandizing akai propaganda.

Anyway, I think we're thoroughly off topic now...

seems like I have some problems of the digital input volume on 2.06 - the input is much less loud when compairing with 1.XX (no change was made on the soundcard or the computer....)

mp3
^^ i dont think you're just describing music tech industry companies....