Question about Timestretch , Pitching& Looping

1. Does anybody knows how can i stretch a sample without a mickeymouse effect ?

Wondering about a lot of MPC user workin with low tempo samples and tune them up to a faster tempo ... without a mickey mouse effect at result.

2. Another question is, how i can looping a sample that works so well that i can use it in the 16level mode like an instrument?

For example:

When i chop a string-part and looping it ( set loop points etc), it sounds like an one tone loop not like a neverending tone...

Anyone mind how it works??

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3. I heard a beat with a female vocal ...
Don't know what she sing exactly... but one word really stretched...

for example:

she sings in the beat " i looooooooooo....v you".

i think, the original " i love you" was never so long cause in the track the producer used this vocal-stretch-effect in different length... so i ask me how he create that...

Bodymachine wrote:1. Does anybody knows how can i stretch a sample without a mickeymouse effect ?

Wondering about a lot of MPC user workin with low tempo samples and tune them up to a faster tempo ... without a mickey mouse effect at result.

Does that mickey mouse effect come on the FX chip?

WHART THE FUCH YOU GOT AGAINST MICKEY MOUSE MAAANNNNNNN???????????

she sings in the beat " i looooooooooo....v you".

i think, the original " i love you" was never so long cause in the track the producer used this vocal-stretch-effect in different length... so i ask me how he create that...

you could stretch and play the sample at lower BPM, while resampling, then you can use this new sample with the right tempo.

"mickey mouse" may appear when your timestretching percentages are too much. MPC's timestretch algorythms and DSP are not known for being its selling points,
so if you wanna "hardcore" timestretch you'll probably have to use another gear to do it, then import the sample back into your mpc, or learn to like mickey

WHART THE FUCH YOU GOT AGAINST MICKEY MOUSE MAAANNNNNNN???????????

I, personnaly, think Mickey Mouse is a bit overrated. I really much prefer Donald Duck when it comes to Disney, personal tastes

supamonsta wrote:

WHART THE FUCH YOU GOT AGAINST MICKEY MOUSE MAAANNNNNNN???????????

I, personnaly, think Mickey Mouse is a bit overrated. I really much prefer Donald Duck when it comes to Disney, personal tastes

Does FX chip have donald duck effect too supamonsta?

supamonsta wrote:so if you wanna "hardcore" timestretch you'll probably have to use another gear to do it, then import the sample back into your mpc, or learn to like mickey

any idea what exactly is good for precise and good sounding timestretching?

maara wrote:

supamonsta wrote:so if you wanna "hardcore" timestretch you'll probably have to use another gear to do it, then import the sample back into your mpc, or learn to like mickey

any idea what exactly is good for precise and good sounding timestretching?

This might sound a bit goofy, but I recommend computer software.

yes - I expected such an answer - everyone suggests to use a computer...
the timestretching is pain in the ass because you need to have a computer to work with the mpc effectively...
its the only weakness of the mpc....

any idea what exactly is good for precise and good sounding timestretching?

if you want to stick with hardware, you can get a roland VP9000 for cheap those days. It's a sample manipulation monster, able to real time pitch shift and timestretch any sample material, while also able to completely rearrange melodies when it comes to solo samples (vocal melody, monophonic instruments melodies, soli...)

if you got $$$, the roland V synths do include the same VP9000 technology.


for software, logic is now a pretty good "timestretcher" since Logic 9 ("elastic audio"), while ableton Live still remains the best sample mangler on the planet IMHO, but some may criticise its timestretch algorythms (you got the choice between different "warp quality" levels, called like "drums", "voice", "complex"etc.).

you also can use NI traktor, that has a really good pitch shift algorytm. Time stretch is OK too with traktor (when you stay in reasonable percentages), but I didn't compare it to logic or ableton.

the best pitch shift and timestretch software on the market seems to be Melodyne. but it's $$$ and really specialised into professionnal instrumental music, not really the kinda software we electronicians do like to plug with gear like the mpc for hands-on tweaking and instant fun... IMHO


the choice is yours mate, good luck!

EDIT:

This might sound a bit goofy

isn't "goofy" the name of mickey's friend? (in french this character is called "dingo", and the dog is "pluto")

maara wrote:

supamonsta wrote:so if you wanna "hardcore" timestretch you'll probably have to use another gear to do it, then import the sample back into your mpc, or learn to like mickey

any idea what exactly is good for precise and good sounding timestretching?

REAPER is great for timestretching. it also works great as a companion to your mpc.

sync REAPER via MTC with your mpc and preview your samples in the media explorer. REAPER is then able to play the sample at the project tempo (the tempo of your mpc sequences) without affecting the pitch.
REAPER even starts the sample at the beginning of a bar.

this is great!

Bodymachine wrote: 2. Another question is, how i can looping a sample that works so well that i can use it in the 16level mode like an instrument?

For example:

When i chop a string-part and looping it ( set loop points etc), it sounds like an one tone loop not like a neverending tone...

Anyone mind how it works??

Looping samples is an artform. And on top of that, it differs for each sample. And for vinyl samples its even more difficult because you may have a lot going on in the sample (drums, other instruments, vinyl noise and crackles etc.). There is no 'do this and it will work' answer. Its all in experimentation. There's lots of info on the web about finding good loop points in samples, so I'll let you put your own work in, in that regard.

If you wanna stick to hardware, the ASR-10 is hands down the best sampler ever made for sample looping.

Like timestretching, there is also software that can help you find (or make) the perfect loop. Redmatica Keymap (mac only) is the best, but most sample editors (wavelab, soundforge, peak, etc...) will have some loop finding abilities. Also, its no longer available but Zero-X Seaamless Looper can be found if you know where to look. There's also a windows freebie called Endless WAV.

Bodymachine wrote:
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3. I heard a beat with a female vocal ...
Don't know what she sing exactly... but one word really stretched...

for example:

she sings in the beat " i looooooooooo....v you".

i think, the original " i love you" was never so long cause in the track the producer used this vocal-stretch-effect in different length... so i ask me how he create that...

There's a lot of ways to get that effect, but the most common is a combo of timestretching and looping.

Here's the link for Endless Wav.

http://www.bjoernbojahr.de/

Site is in german but google translate spit this out:
Software looping WAV files (8, 16, 20 and 24 bit) with loop mix, auto-loop, real-time cross fade, fade and cutting functions. Simply use the two keys pressed CTRL + SHIFT mark a loop region in the waveform - the program does the rest! Cross fades are completely calculated in the background by the way, so you can work fast and fluid.

Has anyone asked JJ about adding options for Timestretching in the MPC. Such as Timestretching to

1 beat
2 beat
1 bar
2 bar