Something like phrases on a Yamaha Rm1x

greetings

I'm thinking if I could get a similar functionality on the MPC1000.

On the Rm1x there are 16 sections/patterns (analogous to sequences on the MPC1000) each containing 16 MIDI tracks. You can record a 2 bar phrase on track one, then increase the length of the sequence to e.g. 10 bars. When you play back the 10 bar sequence the 2 bar phrase in the first track will loop automatically, so you don't have to copy it 5 times in order to fill the 10 bar length of the sequence. So a phrase is basically like a midi sample that can loop independently of the length of the sequence. I wonder if there is a way to do this on the MPC1000?

I know this is possible with audio samples, but midi....?

its been requested to JJ - whether it will happen or not? you may as well request it also - the more interest the better.

can you answer me this about the yamaha though - is all looping done using complete bars? ie does it essentially just save time with something that could be done manually? additionally, can tempos be different? i guess the question is can it create polyrhythms?

astronaut wrote:greetings

I'm thinking if I could get a similar functionality on the MPC1000.

On the Rm1x there are 16 sections/patterns (analogous to sequences on the MPC1000) each containing 16 MIDI tracks. You can record a 2 bar phrase on track one, then increase the length of the sequence to e.g. 10 bars. When you play back the 10 bar sequence the 2 bar phrase in the first track will loop automatically, so you don't have to copy it 5 times in order to fill the 10 bar length of the sequence. So a phrase is basically like a midi sample that can loop independently of the length of the sequence. I wonder if there is a way to do this on the MPC1000?

I know this is possible with audio samples, but midi....?

yeah, some time back this was requested. works similar on the korg tritons. In addition, you should be able to select the start and end loop points on each track. example: track one loops for two bars but starts looping at bar 3 and ends at bar 5, track two might start at bar 1 and end at bar 14, and so on.

cyrus wrote:
yeah, some time back this was requested. works similar on the korg tritons. In addition, you should be able to select the start and end loop points on each track. example: track one loops for two bars but starts looping at bar 3 and ends at bar 5, track two might start at bar 1 and end at bar 14, and so on.

oh ye, I'd like that, but it would probably require some heavy coding.

can you answer me this about the yamaha though - is all looping done using complete bars? ie does it essentially just save time with something that could be done manually?

Well, each section (sequence) has 16 tracks that all have the same bar length, but each track can contain a phrase (midi clip) of any length. It can be shorter than the track length but also longer, it automatically loops in sync with the whole section(sequence). I think a phrase can have any length, but I'll have to double check.

It does save time and memory, since you don't have to copy and paste.

additionally, can tempos be different? i guess the question is can it create polyrhythms?

I thin the tempo of the phrases automatically adjusts to that of the section. There is however an effect called BEAT STRECH, which can in real time speedup or slowdown the phrase relative to the tempo of the section.

And ye, I think polyrythms are doable with the Rm1x, although I have not tried that yet.

@rarara

What about the SS - simult sequence feature, it looks like you could play 2 sequences simultaneously, so you could have a 2 bar and a 3 bar sequence playing along side each other, maybe at two different BPM's.

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2 ... quence.htm

Though I haven't tried messing around with this feature yet.

don't think that will work since the tempo is the same for both sequences i think ( ). i'm not sure if different tempos would be the best way anyhow (does anyone use a sequencer with this type of feature - how does it work). i suppose the optimum (and maybe easiest for JJ?) would be to have the whole thing quantised so if you had say two tracks in a 1 bar loop, one would loop fully (step 16 for 1/16 TC) and the other you could set to loop at any other point (say 15/16ths), and it could snap back to grid if required. maybe have different time sigs per track?

hmmm, its just an idea in mind - whether it would produce good live tracks or finished songs at the end of the day is another matter

astronaut wrote:greetings

I'm thinking if I could get a similar functionality on the MPC1000.

On the Rm1x there are 16 sections/patterns (analogous to sequences on the MPC1000) each containing 16 MIDI tracks. You can record a 2 bar phrase on track one, then increase the length of the sequence to e.g. 10 bars. When you play back the 10 bar sequence the 2 bar phrase in the first track will loop automatically, so you don't have to copy it 5 times in order to fill the 10 bar length of the sequence. So a phrase is basically like a midi sample that can loop independently of the length of the sequence. I wonder if there is a way to do this on the MPC1000?

I know this is possible with audio samples, but midi....?

You can do a rough version of this by using the simultaneous sequence feature.

For example: write a two bar drum pattern with the loop set to ON, then make a new sequence, and assign the drum sequence you just made to be the simultaneous one. It will now loop for the length of the new sequence, or, forever if the new sequence's loop setting is OFF.

It's a nice feature that's useful if you want to jam over a beat while recording at the same time.