Program "sets"?

Alright, on JJ OS-XL Ver. 3.07 (and maybe any 3.xx) I can't seem to have some programs be samples and others be MIDI CC. If I change one program to CC, all of the sample programs change, too. If I change one program back to sample, all of the CC programs change to sample. I tried turning the Set on and off, as well as making each program a different set, but it still makes all programs either sample or CC. I've tried reading through the manual, but I'm not even seeing anything about sets in it. I tried searching here, but you can imagine how many topics and posts have the word "set" in them ("How do I set...", "During my set...", "I'm all set...", I'm upset..."). I apologize if this has been addressed already, but I'm totally stumped.

The SETs have nothing to do with program. They are like a global setting for the pads, amongst other things. Of course the sequencer can send these midi messages as well. You can change the SETS or turn them off and on

So, again, does this mean that your pads can only be set to sample, CC, or PC at one time, even if they're in different programs? I don't use pre-arranged sequences, but record and overdub sequences on numerous tracks live on-stage and some of them are sample-based and some are CC control of other devices. I'm back on Ver. 2.30 until I can sort this out. I don't get why this would change, unless it hasn't and I'm just missing something. Anyone care to explain this to me clearly, or point me at the manual page or video that does (though I looked and looked and I didn't see anything)?

If what you say is true you may have issues when trying to use MPC to produce with other programs. Tell JJ on a bug report if you feel this is counter productive to producing. Maybe it was done the way you described for live use only in mind.

Thirdlip wrote:So, again, does this mean that your pads can only be set to sample, CC, or PC at one time, even if they're in different programs?

Right. The pads trigger program samples as normal unless a pattern set is turned on, in which case the pattern/cc/pc takes precedence over the program assignment.

Samples assigned to pads can still be played within a sequence or pattern, even if the pad to be played is part of a pattern set. It's as if the programs pads lay beneath pattern pad assignments.

From your description, it seems like 3.07 is compatible with your method. Perhaps you can always assign certain pads to programs, or jump out of the main screen to play program pads.

Or jump out of the main screen to play program pads.[/quote]

I do not see how this is any different to navigate than any of the live features added in os2xl. Much more complete CC/PC control with the proper settings.CC 0-127 and PC MSB/LSB all the way up your pad bank should make for a live show wet dream.PEACE TYPO

why do you not just turn sets on and off or set up two sets, one with your midi CCs and another for your samples.

bliprock wrote:why do you not just turn sets on and off or set up two sets, one with your midi CCs and another for your samples.

Please explain this set up in more detail.Pad mode and drum program as two sets.Or is this still just selecting off and on in pad mode? TYPO

What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work. you guys have to RTFM and make sure all your terminology is in check.
Thirdlip, you did not look very hard sorry
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/padmode.htm
RTFM again
lets assume you are playing live and you want a mix of samples and midi sequences or midi messages.

Thirdlip wrote: I don't use pre-arranged sequences, but record and overdub sequences on numerous tracks live on-stage and some of them are sample-based and some are CC control of other devices.

WTF your playing over a backing track huh? not very cool if you wanna change your set up live....very borring. So IMHO I strongly suggest you learn to use the midi sequencer instead. But back to the problem. I can see three different ways to solve your problem. SETS are related to Pad Mode Assign settings. As you have noticed there is the ability to assign a midi cc or program change to a pad, but this stops acting as normal ie hit pad and it plays a sample depending on program or a midi note in midi mode.
So do you get it now?This new 'Pad Assign Mode' makes the PADs behaviour change And the best thing is i can make a track of a string of midi cc, say make a 2 bar sweep of my microkorgs filter cutoff and then make a pattern from it, assign to a pad and then when playing live i can hit that pad and WWWOSSHHH... another pad can be assigned a midi program change, so when i hit that pad it changes microkorg patch program. And so on. Oh and this is while The MPC1000 is playing a dozen tracks of drums and vocals and playing sequences to multiple synths as well. But how can you play samples to??? RTFM (i just having a laugh with all the RTFMs but its true)
So here is first solution - Notice the PAD BANKS. Be honest do you have every one of those 64 pads assigned to 64 samples? If you do copy a bank to a new program, so as to free up a bank. There, now you have a place for your 16 midi functions assigned the way you want. hit Pad Bank buttons and switch live
Second solution - As said before, above, you can switch sets live or turn them of or on live. Go down to Pad assign there next to the Pad number, Hit WINDOW. Hey presto you have the Pad Mode Assign List window. Go to across to [Set No.] and change your set
THird solution is same as second but use on/off function in this Pad Mode Assign List window [F2]
There you all been schooled. I hope you get it and above helps.

bliprock wrote:What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work.

This is true:"What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work", but Thirdlip is making a good point (if he is correct) about "Sets" supercedeing all loaded programs.

Thirdlip wrote:So, again, does this mean that your pads can only be set to sample, CC, or PC at one time, even if they're in different programs?

Do you have a way JJ can fix this.

evil A Sulli wrote:

bliprock wrote:What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work.

This is true:"What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work", but Thirdlip is making a good point (if he is correct) about "Sets" supercedeing all loaded programs.

Thirdlip wrote:So, again, does this mean that your pads can only be set to sample, CC, or PC at one time, even if they're in different programs?

Do you have a way JJ can fix this.

LMAO evil you missing the point. He is not gonna 'FIX' it, its not broken, its just you dont get it yet. Please reread my posts and play with it on your MPC peeps. Do what i suggested and dont whinge cos it seems broken. Its a very valuable tool, and its good you guys are trying to use it, but as I have said so many time it is Pad Mode Assign List window and is like a global setting of the pads. Hell there are like even SETs as well so we can change it LIVE and have heaps of different ones. Whats your problem? cant you push a couple of buttons?
Has a single one of you followed my posted work arounds above? It doesn't seem so to me. FORGET PROGRAMS. this function has nothing to do with Programs ok. Get it now?
God wait till we get to track to patterns sets

bliprock wrote:

evil A Sulli wrote:

bliprock wrote:What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work.

This is true:"What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work", but Thirdlip is making a good point (if he is correct) about "Sets" supercedeing all loaded programs.

Thirdlip wrote:So, again, does this mean that your pads can only be set to sample, CC, or PC at one time, even if they're in different programs?

Do you have a way JJ can fix this.

LMAO evil you missing the point. He is not gonna 'FIX' it, its not broken, its just you dont get it yet. Please reread my posts and play with it on your MPC peeps. Do what i suggested and dont whinge cos it seems broken. Its a very valuable tool, and its good you guys are trying to use it, but as I have said so many time it is Pad Mode Assign List window and is like a global setting of the pads. Hell there are like even SETs as well so we can change it LIVE and have heaps of different ones. Whats your problem? cant you push a couple of buttons?
Has a single one of you followed my posted work arounds above? It doesn't seem so to me. FORGET PROGRAMS. this function has nothing to do with Programs ok. Get it now?
God wait till we get to track to patterns sets

Bliprock, If you have two programs (PGM 1 and PMG 2) loaded and you change pad 1 on PMG 1 to pattern, does PMG 2 change to pattern also?

evil A Sulli wrote:
Bliprock, If you have two programs (PGM 1 and PMG 2) loaded and you change pad 1 on PMG 1 to pattern, does PMG 2 change to pattern also?

OMFG your trolling me right. Im gonna have to flame your backside off if you are seriously asking me that. And you asked with out even friggin trying yourself hey, thats not kool.
I dont wanna trip on ya man, but seriously reread everything and take your time this time and do what i suggested. Have you ever used Pad Bank B? seriously you driving me insane with your lazyness, and lack of trying. Again not kool. Lift your game son.
RTFM. I even gave the link gosh darn it. I am not going to tell you for at least a day or two, so you do what you asked above and figure it out. Then try what i said as a work around. Do those 3 different things your self and see what im saying before you post ok.
Then you can try more complicated pattern stuff which you will want to do.

bliprock wrote:

evil A Sulli wrote:
Bliprock, If you have two programs (PGM 1 and PMG 2) loaded and you change pad 1 on PMG 1 to pattern, does PMG 2 change to pattern also?

OMFG your trolling me right. Im gonna have to flame your backside off if you are seriously asking me that. And you asked with out even friggin trying yourself hey, thats not kool.
I dont wanna trip on ya man, but seriously reread everything and take your time this time and do what i suggested. Have you ever used Pad Bank B? seriously you driving me insane with your lazyness, and lack of trying. Again not kool. Lift your game son.
RTFM. I even gave the link gosh darn it. I am not going to tell you for at least a day or two, so you do what you asked above and figure it out. Then try what i said as a work around. Do those 3 different things your self and see what im saying before you post ok.
Then you can try more complicated pattern stuff which you will want to do.

You never did answer the question. So I will say your reply is "Yes".If that is your responses the creator of this post may have valid point.

I understand what you are saying. When using pattern mode you can't use additional programs(technically speaking) you have to use the banks(A to D) as
programs.

I'm just responding to what the author of this post said.

evil A Sulli wrote:
You never did answer the question. So I will say your reply is "Yes".If that is your responses the creator of this post may have valid point.

I understand what you are saying. When using pattern mode you can't use additional programs(technically speaking) you have to use the banks(A to D) as
programs.

I'm just responding to what the author of this post said.

No you are being myopic! And not understanding my posts. What i just quoted you posting proves that you have not much of a clue what your talking about. Im running 7 different programs right now. So how can you say you cant. Look, PAD BANKS are used by the programs. just cos you aint used more than 1 bank at a time you think its broken
If you read and understood my posts, you would not ask these questions. I trying to help you by pointing out how your methadology and understanding is flawed. OK its not broken or bad, just you aint learnt how to use it yet. And quite frankly at this rate you never will get it hey.
WTF you change the global settings of a pad and then say its broken LMAO
You didnt even try what i said so you are lame. Ok now im gonna give you a serve, cos you aint trying and i am trying to help you so off your backside and try those three work arounds i showed you.........Or is that too hard following clear instructions is it???
come on let me know cos i wanna make sure all of you know that its not a problem with JJOSXL3.xx but you guys unable to think.