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Bug fixes :New OSVer4.84 05-Sep-2007
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1. [CHOP]
　PAD14( Play to),PAD15( Play from ) end point dose not work.

2. [MTC SYNC SLAVE]
　[Count in:REC+PLAY]
　At the time of this setup The beginning is strange.

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1. [CHOP]
　PAD14( Play to),PAD15( Play from )がＥＮＤポイントで動作しない。

2. [MTC SYNC SLAVE]
　 Count in:REC+PLAYの時、出だしが変。

this was the one I, among others, have been complaining about

JJ wrote:Q: If recording a sequence and you trigger a sample that is longer than the sequence itself, the sample will be muted when the sequence 　　　loops back to 001.01.00
　　 For instance:
　1. 4 bar sequence
　2. Trigger a loop at 004.04.48
　3. Sample gets muted before it can finish playing
　See streaming audio clip here:
　 http://www.divshare.com/download/1591533-ed5

A: MODE+PAD10(OTHER) =>F2(MISC.)
　　
"Mute/stop of one-shot sample" <= Please set the setup here to "THROUGH".
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Q: 1. Set "Mute/stop of one-shot sample" to "Immediate"
　2. Record a sequence with a sample longer than the sequence itself.
　Sample will cut at the end of sequence.

A: It is specification.
　　Please use it by "THROUGH".

so apparently it is specification to behave this way?

I thought it was established that the Akai OS can have immediate mutes and still be able to have samples that play past the start point without muting

I'll have to run a check with the Akai 2.11, because I don't think that is the case

thedvs01 wrote: ...

i can't understand this either. why do samples get chopped at the end of the loop by specification?! and who needs it? and as earlier os' kept the sample playing through the loop it is no hardware-problem, jj just programmed it.
this (for the first time ever) really buggs me!

plus muted tracks now still mute samples. he changed that, too.

I just checked, akai os didnt have the immediate mute feature at all, so i think the problems we encounter arise from that. More on that later...

rinseout wrote:I just checked, akai os didnt have the immediate mute feature at all, so i think the problems we encounter arise from that. More on that later...

yeah, akai os didn't have instant stop. but jj introduced this pretty early, and it used to work only with the stop-button, so thet the samples are cut when you stop the sequence. there was no muting through muted seuences, no sample-cut at the end of the loop. and mute-groups only worked on same tracks. now a mute-group mutes every sample in the sequence, no matter on which track it's recorded. all this crap came with 4.8.X.

edit: i'm not alowed to say c.r.a.p.?! that's sad!

thedvs01 wrote:this was the one I, among others, have been complaining about

JJ wrote:Q: If recording a sequence and you trigger a sample that is longer than the sequence itself, the sample will be muted when the sequence 　　　loops back to 001.01.00
　　 For instance:
　1. 4 bar sequence
　2. Trigger a loop at 004.04.48
　3. Sample gets muted before it can finish playing
　See streaming audio clip here:
　 http://www.divshare.com/download/1591533-ed5

A: MODE+PAD10(OTHER) =>F2(MISC.)
　　
"Mute/stop of one-shot sample" <= Please set the setup here to "THROUGH".
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q: 1. Set "Mute/stop of one-shot sample" to "Immediate"
　2. Record a sequence with a sample longer than the sequence itself.
　Sample will cut at the end of sequence.

A: It is specification.
　　Please use it by "THROUGH".

so apparently it is specification to behave this way?

I thought it was established that the Akai OS can have immediate mutes and still be able to have samples that play past the start point without muting

I'll have to run a check with the Akai 2.11, because I don't think that is the case

so it's supposed to mute samples at the end of the sequence? wow, that's a shame. that may have switched me back to the Akai OS right there. i've been complaining about that bug for months.

a loop based sampler that can't loop a sample if it's triggered mid-sequence... that's ridiculous.


and CommanderRobot, i don't know about the 1000's OS by Akai, but mute/stop was added to the mpc2500 Akai OS in one of it's OS updates and it works flawlessly. JJ didn't implement it correctly and apparently isn't planning on it.

and verily, the jj backlash doth beginneth...

I think we just need to try to explain it a lil better to JJ. He wouldn't leave us high and dry like that. Especially if you note that the Akai OS does it just fine. He won't like that.

Just checked it in AKAI's OS, and IMMEDIATE muting isn't even possible, either through an option or just by default.

The Akai OS, by default, is locked into what is JJ's equivalent of THROUGH mode on the mute track screen. If you switch your JJ OS settings to through, then long loops triggered mid-sequence will loop properly without being muted at the start point.

If you set it to IMMEDIATE, you have the ability to mute and un-mute loops immediately, but long loops will mute when the sequence loops the start point again.

To break it down again:

THROUGH mode = exactly like Akai 2.11
IMMEDIATE mode = all tracks have the same mute behavior, but at the sacrifice of long loops

JJ is right, it is specification

whoever originally insisted that the Akai OS had immediate mutes by default was apparently wrong

If you want the best of both worlds, use THROUGH mode, and assign Q-Link to Level of your long loops, and you can mute with the slider

(side note a bout that though, does anyone get noise when using their Q-links assigned to level?)

yes i do have those noise...it already was in the akai os...

i dont really get what u guys are sayin with the whole mute thing. i havent installed it yet. can u give me an example

mkl... wrote:yes i do have those noise...it already was in the akai os...

what sucks though is that it records the noise into the sequence

**valentin** wrote:i dont really get what u guys are sayin with the whole mute thing. i havent installed it yet. can u give me an example

yes

http://www.divshare.com/download/1867192-0ec

if set to IMMEDIATE in the window settings page of the track mute screen, samples that are triggered mid-sequence, which are long enough to overlap to the end of the sequence and over the start point, will be muted at the start point.

setting to THROUGH fixes it, but you lose the ability to mute whenever you want, such as in:

http://www.divshare.com/download/1867217-bef

this is the same way it works in Akai 2.11 though, contrary to the belief of some (I downgraded and checked earlier today)

a workaround to get immediate track mutes on long samples while still in THROUGH mode is to assign your long samples to an audio track, then the mutes will behave as they do in the second clip above regardless.

However, I don't know of a workaround to get them to play THROUGH when they start and and mid sequence, as you cannot record an audio track passed the length of your sequence, and if you assign a regular sample to an audio track, the sample playback begins at 01.00.00

argh, i try hard to make myself clear. it's not easy!
first of all, it's only about the 'imediate' setting. if you switch to 'through' you won't have any problems. everything is like it alway had been:
if you mute or stop, all samples play until the end-point.

but 'imediate' change between 4.7.X and 4.8.X. i'm 100% sure as i used the 'imediate'-setting since os 4.6.X. the samples didn't use to stop at the end of the loop in 4.7.X (and earlier), and muting through muted tracks wasn't there, too. it was like 'through', but if i pushed stop, the samples cut, no other differences. and that's how i would like it to be.
but jj changed some sample-behaviour in 'imediate'-setting. example:

if you set a sample to mono, record it and mute the track, it was like the track wasnt there. but now, the samples still behave like they play, but you don't hear them. this means, if you play the same pad, it gets muted by the recorded (but now track-muted) pad. this happens even if you change the track!
if you assigned an open hihat and a closed one to mute-group 1 and play them on different tracks, they didn't use to mute eachother. but now they do. and if you record them, on different tracks, and mute one of the tracks, the other one still gets cut off by the pad on the muted track.

can someone please confirm this and tell me how bad this sucks? all my old sequences don't play back correctly anymore...

another question for the users that are "seasoned" with the complete abilities of the OS and hardware...

should you upgrade to this latest release?

I just bought my mpc1k and bought the jj os (as it was STRONGLY suggested I do right after buying the unit)

so I'm still learning to get around in it. I'm new to the MPC but not to making music.

thanks for any input.