WHY do it seem JJ OS experienced users Don't worry bout BPM?

Obviously I'm a new jack to this... and still "finding" my way..

waht i do is find a dope sample in record usually its the intro of the song like the 1st 4 bars and thats what i want to flip...

I'm still nowhere good enough to even try choppin so i straight LOOP the joint...

my stuggle/problem comes wit the tempo of the original sample..

lets say its at 72.651..


1. what do you all do to work wit this sample? I mean in my INexperienced view drums to this 4 bar sample at 72.651 would not be HIP hop'ish... they would be too slow..
... or am i missin something? i just ALWAYS timestretch that mug to 90BPM no matter waht and lay my drums down.. but i know i got to me MISSIN something...


which brings me to point #2


2. i been readin this forum bout the JJ os and anytime anybody asks about temps this, BPM that.. it seems the consensus of the "seasoned" posters i..e long time users of jj os always come back wit ish like DON"T WORRY ABOUT BPM or quotes, like "i dont' even have a bpm in mind when i make a joint" and so I'm wondering...

a. am i missing something completely?

b. is it something on the JJ OS that bypasses or gets rid of the need for TEMPO 2 even be considered?

c. is it that the more long time users of jj os most likely been makin music for so long that they done evolved past this newbie stuff i.e. worryin bout tempos when making a song/beat?

i'm thinkin its C..

but no matter what i'm hopin yall can clear this up for me.. or at the very least offer some pointers or clues on this ish...

ahh the mysteries of BPM/tempo changes and all that..


appreciate it yalll

be eaZy

oNe

72 would be totally fine for a hip hop joint.

If you want to speed it up without that 'mice voice effect' you can use timestretch.

Go into trim mode and then press edit, go to timestretch and enter your data.

you can prolly go up to 83-85 bpm without a great quality loss.


Another method would be this:

Chop the loop in 8 pieces via the slice option, then replay the song and sometimes you can increase the speed without the skips to be noticeable.

hey dont speed it up or anything permanent like that, first check it out as a patched phrase, ie: get it to a 4bar 'loop' size trim.

then as u know the bpm as 72.65.... id round it up to 72.6.....

so id get the trimmed loop/break into mode+trim, then F5='chop', then F3='slice' **turn the datawheel to get your 32x slices (8 per bar) or even 64 (16 per bar).....F6='edit', then choose F3='patched phrase'....then fill in the 'original tempo to 72.6, (also i like to set the 'release' time right up - as it gives u an artificially extended end to each slice for "gapless playback") then hit F5= 'do it'

that would give u an idea of how it could be at any tempo, cos as soon as u put that pp'd sample in a blank 4bar sequence, the tempo will play at the sequences tempo, without u being stuck at the 'Trim/Timestreched' set tempo.....

** i prefer to use 'autochop' but im not sure it would be able to process 4bars at that tempo as it turns out to be quite a long sample, but mbe try that next if the 'straight' "slice" function doesnt turn out as u would like.

plus as a patched phrase you can use "16 levels" to marvelous effect as pitch changer for the pp.

the reason BPM doesnt matter is because when u chop the sample up you control what tempo you want it at. Even if your gonna use a loop. chop it. you control the tempo then. so the answer is

CHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh!!!!!!!!!!

that's today's secret word!!!

i use various techniques depending on the scenario:

-pitch the sample up/down

-adjust song tempo to fit sample (or 'almost fit' in a good way)

-transient-chop the sample on mpc or on pc
-equal-length chop the sample
-chop the sample by hand

-timestretch the sample on pc (haven't actually tried doing it on the mpc yet )

im not a big fan of timestretch in general; prefer to pitch or chop when possible. Of course, my style is to not sample whole loops, i work with hits and tones mostly. So if your approach is 'i want to loop a whole 4-bar section of that old tune' or something then i would probably use a high-quality timestretch on pc, and try different settings for both pitch and tempo until i found one that grooves the best.

sometimes when you chop, if you leave notes stuck together it will mess with the amount of 'swing' once you change the tempo... sometimes thats not a bad thing

all these techniques are pretty clear to me at this point so its just a question of what works best for the given sample.

i never use timestretch, i mainly listen to the sample and speed up or speed down the record and then when i'm chopping in te mp i just play with the tuning for the whole program.. that's like my ''trick'' to make it usually work, i actually already did this stuff before using an mpc in reason's dr rex and recycle

i agree, 72 bpm may not sound very hiphopish, but it's like your job to make it sound hipopish

timestretch is total azz don't waste your time with it (literally)

chop and tune and you can set tempo to a whole number istead of that crazy 71.765677676 nonsense

practice with 1 bar, half a bar, 2 bars etc until you actually have it figured

then and only then move on