have track mutes been fixed in os2 yet...???

the way track mutes were changed in os1 (once an item is muted it stays muted until it is actually retriggered again) really crippled a great feature. i know it was a voice issue, but the solution JJ came up with was horrible. i now use qlink LEVEL as a workaround, but for doing changeups over multiple tracks its terrible.


does anyone know if track mutes in os2 have been fixed?
i don't have my mpc near me to check it myself.

Now i could be very wrong, but im pretty sure on my OS1 i have an option to change it so it mutes the note, or mutes the actual sound.

Actually, im very positive my mpc has that option. can anyone else back this up?

mistasmijen wrote:Now i could be very wrong, but im pretty sure on my OS1 i have an option to change it so it mutes the note, or mutes the actual sound.

Actually, im very positive my mpc has that option. can anyone else back this up?

nah, this is what i am talking about right here....
(and in this pic "the present os" means 4.91)






once you mute something it stays muted even if you try to bring it back in by unmuting it.
it sucks.

if you can find an option to change this please tell me, but i don't think there is any....


...and i would happily go back to os 4.91, but that OS was before all the support was added for the new pad "fix".

yo i'll check for you if i get a chance to tonight

it's the way you don't like it, punch. the latter of your 2 images. sorry.

i agree that it's not a good fix.

JJ is assuming that people don't use all their tracks unmuted at the same time and that muted tracks are causing polyphony issues. the fix completely ignores people who know how to manage their polyphony and can have all tracks unmuted at the same time with no problems.

i mean, it seems stupid that my muted tracks wouldn't be played to save polyphony when i could have each track unmuted and not run into any problems.

there should be at least 3 options to mute/stop of one-shot samples.

THROUGH: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed continue to play. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

IMMEDIATE: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed are stopped immediately to save polyphony. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

VOLUME: when track is muted, notes continue to be played and the volume of the samples is just muted. unmuting will cause volume to turn back on immediately in the same manner as if you were muting/unmuting a channel on a mixer.

Antonym wrote:it's the way you don't like it, punch. the latter of your 2 images. sorry.

damn....well thanks for checking anyway.

^ that's very clever. good idea.

i'm one of those people whose tracks, if all played at once, would completely max the polyphony on busier songs. lots of stereo samples and business. fact is though most the time i just delete muted tracks whose samples aren't being used in that sequence.

Mike Feedback wrote:i agree that it's not a good fix.

JJ is assuming that people don't use all their tracks unmuted at the same time and that muted tracks are causing polyphony issues. the fix completely ignores people who know how to manage their polyphony and can have all tracks unmuted at the same time with no problems.

i mean, it seems stupid that my muted tracks wouldn't be played to save polyphony when i could have each track unmuted and not run into any problems.

THANK YOU for reading my mind!!!
i have really never had any polyphony issues and then all of a sudden one day track mutes got destroyed....i really felt blindsided. i don't even really remember people complaining about it, but all of a sudden track mutes were crippled and never mentioned again.

such a disappointment....and its the same in OS2 too???

f@$#%!

there should be at least 3 options to mute/stop of one-shot samples.

THROUGH: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed continue to play. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

IMMEDIATE: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed are stopped immediately to save polyphony. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

VOLUME: when track is muted, notes continue to be played and the volume of the samples is just muted. unmuting will cause volume to turn back on immediately in the same manner as if you were muting/unmuting a channel on a mixer.

you're idea of a third choice for VOLUME would be a perfect fix Mike Feedback.

damn man, i really hope JJ will fix this for both OS1 and OS2 one day...

I hope jj fixes this in the next update... for os 1 at least, , please jj this is one of the main elements of the mpc . please fix it.

punchdrunk wrote:

Mike Feedback wrote:i agree that it's not a good fix.

JJ is assuming that people don't use all their tracks unmuted at the same time and that muted tracks are causing polyphony issues. the fix completely ignores people who know how to manage their polyphony and can have all tracks unmuted at the same time with no problems.

i mean, it seems stupid that my muted tracks wouldn't be played to save polyphony when i could have each track unmuted and not run into any problems.

THANK YOU for reading my mind!!!
i have really never had any polyphony issues and then all of a sudden one day track mutes got destroyed....i really felt blindsided. i don't even really remember people complaining about it, but all of a sudden track mutes were crippled and never mentioned again.

such a disappointment....and its the same in OS2 too???

f@$#%!

there should be at least 3 options to mute/stop of one-shot samples.

THROUGH: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed continue to play. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

IMMEDIATE: when track is muted, notes are not played. samples triggered in the track prior to mute being pressed are stopped immediately to save polyphony. unmuting causes notes to be triggered again.

VOLUME: when track is muted, notes continue to be played and the volume of the samples is just muted. unmuting will cause volume to turn back on immediately in the same manner as if you were muting/unmuting a channel on a mixer.

you're idea of a third choice for VOLUME would be a perfect fix Mike Feedback.

damn man, i really hope JJ will fix this for both OS1 and OS2 one day...

man - i just can't believe that they had it perfect then lost it somehow around 4.84,

silly really - Ant can u get some sort of explanation as to why it WAS working for so long then WASNT working suddenly? - just out of massive interest in this situation

silly really - Ant can u get some sort of explanation as to why it WAS working for so long then WASNT working suddenly? - just out of massive interest in this situation

i haven't been in contact with them for a couple of weeks now, not since .68.
i've just been filing bug reports when i come across them.
we had talked before and the issue was just conflicting interests and issues. the issue of muted tracks taking up polyphony, and the issue of unmuted tracks not re-triggering the sample. there are users on both sides of the fence. we might not have seen the discussion take place because there are more users of the jj os than just here - there are also a body of japanese speaking mpc users.

this is why Mike's idea for several muting options (maybe even per-track?) is a good idea. unfortunately i've got to come clean, this isn't my priority as far as testing goes since i don't use TMs.

my main point is that it WAS working fine without taking extra polyphony, around os4.84, then it all went pear shaped.

just cant get my head around how it went wrong, since i was making tracks in early os's that did mutes/oneshots properly and didn't sieze up with polyphony issues......since then both the mutes are shagged and also those older sequences wouldnt play properly in the later os's. just wierd.

Love to have this feature back. It makes you able to be really creative.
You can create all kinds of nice variation on sampled melodies.
Just like you would mute/unmute midi tracks.

Would be one of the best features and a great new year gift

Nym or anybody else can someone please just do me this one favor and say what was the last/latest os version that the mutes worked properly on?