Renaming samples loses pad assignment?

Hi all,

Greetings from Jerusalem! My name is Boris, last week I got an MPC1000 + JJ OS1, joined this fine community and started learning my way around.

My first question is related to sampling workflow. Say, I record a bunch of samples, play with them - loop, chop etc. - possibly scraping some during this process. Then, when I'm satisfied, I purge the unused samples, name the good ones and save PROGRAM+SAMPLES. This seems the logical way to me, but I was surprised to find out that after renaming, I have to manually reassign samples to pads. Is there a way to automatically update the program(s) when samples are renamed? Am I doing it wrong, maybe I should name the samples before assigning them to pads? This seems less efficient for workflow, especially since some samples may end up deleted. What is your preferred way of working?

thanks in advance for any tips/advices,
Boris.

i experienced this as well. don't see how to do it without manualy assinigng them after renaming. renaming before assigning would avoid this, but i don't know how many you purge.
i used to rename a sample, go to pgm-edit and put it on a pad, than rename the next one. takes some time... if you don't care about the order you can use the trick nym wrote about, i'm too lazy to write it down again. it let's you assign first to last sample in memory very fast, but if you want to change the order it's pretty useless.
in os2, you can hit window on the sample column in pgm-edit, rename it and when you close this window, it's already assigned. still you have to close the sample-view every time after renaming a sample, as it assigns always the last sample you renamed. but still it's much faster than in os1.

yeah "SAMPLE01" assigned to a program and then renamed to "KICK1" will result in the program losing track of the file, showing "?SAMPLE01" where it used to be

no way around it that i know of - do your samples just not have adequate names when you load em? or, are you recording them in the mpc?

i'm afraid you might just have to rework your workflow, which luckily shouldn't be that tricky since you're relatively new to the mpc.

@CommanderRobot - interesting bit about OS2. Anyway, I'll probably stick to OS1 for the time being..

@nym - if I was prepairing the samples on a computer, of course I'd name them properly maybe that's what I'll do eventually, but I'd like to be as efficient as possible on the MPC alone. It just seems one of those tasks that are tedious for a human and easy for a machine, so I was hoping that I'm just missing the right way to do it.

i'm afraid you might just have to rework your workflow, which luckily shouldn't be that tricky since you're relatively new to the mpc.

No problem, I'm eager to learn What is your workflow?

typically, everything that ends up on my mpc is from records, so as i'm sitting/sampling i just name each sample with an abridged "googlable" phrase from the title of the song/artist's last name. i save all these in a "diggging" folder organized by month.

when i chop these samples, i just leave that name as is.
as for oneshots and other samples that i dumped from my DAW to my mpc hard drive, most of them have semi-appropriate names (kick47, etc) that i just leave as is

but really, once a sample's in a program i stop worrying about the name, because of the pad-trim specifcation. if you hit a pad and then enter trim, the saample assigned to the pad you just struck appears in trim. because of this you don't have to spend time zooming through the sample list just to find your sample/trim it.

when i do "rename" a sample, it's more along the lines of having copied it or applied bit conversion or other destructive edits. then i just reenter program edit and reassign the sample to the appropriate one.

hope this is helpful, you've got an exciting time ahead of you

@Lampdog - I did save the program with all samples after renaming; problem is, the saved program refers to a non-existant sample (e.g. "?Sample01"). So, instead of simply
1. rename samples
2. save program and samples,
apparently I have to add another step between 1 and 2:
1a. manually assign renamed samples to their original pads
- and this is something the OS could easily do for me.

@Nym - thanks for the explanation. I'm just trying to be organized from the start, so I don't end up with identically named samples ("Kick47") in different folders that I won't be able to load simultaneously.

I find this behaviour very annoying. My S5000 automagically updates the program when you rename samples. I guess that's one idea that new akai didn't inherit from old.