Reviews and questions about the entry-level MPC500
ByJamon Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:25 am
The machine looks good, it is portable, "Akai MPC" has all this street cred, and you're thinking about how you don't need all the extra stuff in the bigger models. It's pretty expensive for such a tiny thing, powered by AA batteries like a cheap toy... but it's an MPC, "Music Production Center", so it's a lot of power packed into a small punch.

Yes, but that's just the dream. In reality, Akai is an overhyped brand backed by a company that fails at software development, customer support, and product design.

The first thing you'll notice is, the pads are stiff and unresponsive. Press on some synth keys and you get a soft touch that gives a wide expression of velocity sensitivity. Press on the MPC500 pad and you can't hear anything, just a whisper. Hold two fingers together tightly to brace the hard impact and jam them down directly in the center and along with sore hands you get inexpressive triggers where it's either loud or quiet, but not much control in between.

The pads do get a tad softer though, after you've damaged your hands for weeks. Plus you can use a midi keyboard, so you move on to try and like the machine. But your saved project doesn't always load. Sometimes saving the entire memory results in some parts of the sequences causing segmentation faults with icky CPU ADDR error messages and you're screwed out of all the time that went into building that project. It makes you afraid to save and just use the thing.

You email Akai, and they are completely unhelpful. Despite sending them test cases setup nicely with detailed instructions and files to reproduce bugs, they are generally unresponsive. But other people on the web are complaining about the same problems, so you just stash the MPC away and wait a year for Akai to release new firmware. Then you load it up, and feel a renewed hope and excitement for what is like a brand new machine, all the pain of the past washed away.

Some bugs seem fixed, what a great little device. Dive into it, sequence, tweak... hmm weird, pressing that button causes odd behavior. Hmm that setting decided to change all by itself. Pressing that shouldn't do that at all. Ignore, ignore, they are annoyances but not showstoppers. Sequence, play, record, track, track, track, finished track 8 of a full song, depress Overdub so you can listen from start... hmm, it's not working, still in record mode with red light on, try again, nothing.

Unresponsive, dead, cursor still blinking like it's alive and functional. But it's not, and this isn't a freak event. It is the norm with this failure of a device. It is the perfect machine to carry with you on the bus so you can look cool. The blue LED backlight looks sharp against the slim black case. Just push back the headphones and nod away like you're some important producer, just don't actually try to do anything real with it.

If you just want to tap pads and hear drums, or record some loops so you can tell your friends you "produce beats", get something else. There are simpler machines that you'll be much happier with because they are easier to just play and have fun with. If you were hoping to use this as a real workstation, a "Music Production Center", forget it. The thing crashes and has more bugs than a PC.

Of course there are lots of people who will say, "Mine works fine, never had a problem". Some of those just tap out simple loops and rarely explore anything too deep in the controls of the unit. Some have all sorts of things plugged in and are tweaking away, but got lucky because their workflow just so happens to match something that hasn't hit one of the major showstoppers.

But Akai has stated that they have not changed the manufacturing, so they are all flawed, even with the latest firmware. Maybe it's because it's the cheapest model? Maybe you should buy the MPC5000? Take a look in that sub-forum, bugs, bugs, bugs. Akai is a lousy company that seems to be banking on the momentum of the past. The MPC may have once been a great piece of equipment, but there seems to be little evidence to support that today.

There is only one possibility. That is that if the hardware is good and these are all software problems then you should consider the 2500 or 1000 with JJOS instead. But the 1000 originally had a flawed pad design. Are the new pads like the 500, stiff and unresponsive? Make sure you do your homework. The other thing is, those models lack the simplicity and portability of the MPC500. So with that gone, why even get an MPC? Maybe there's a better way.

Overall, the MPCs are way too hyped for what they are. If you gave one of these to a fresh software developer with access to the internals they would never design the interface as it is. The workflow is supposed to be what make MPCs good, but it is a poor implementation and seems to be based on something from the 80s. With the amount of hardware power this thing has it should be operating on paradigms more familiar to people from the PC audio scene.

You can't even change the volume for an entire track at once on this thing. Just forget about it. Let Akai die, they aren't the same and don't deserve so much positive publicity. What we need to do is manufacture some hardware like this and release a public SDK. Right now all the talented people are churning out PC software when they should be working on firmware for dedicated audio devices. We need a hardware audio framework for devices dedicated solely to audio, no extra OS layers.

If we had that, then you'd see how insane paying $600 for a name and pretty blue LED is, like a hammer made with gold and diamond engravings that falls apart when you bang a nail. Any crazy Asian manufacturers reading this email me. We'll put this modern tech to use with new ideas for instruments that actually work with fun intuitive playability, and the pads will be gooey soft with angel hair touch so you can relax and enjoy tapping. Forget about the MPC, Akai is a failure.
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By Frags Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:39 am
sounds like u should just forget AKAI and find another way to make beats. I on the other hand have a 1000 i have had for approx 6 years and would not make beats any other way i have never had a problem except my pads died about a year ago i have the red and blue unit which the pads are supposedly shit and die straight away...not so for me...do what you do and enjoy it if you dont go find another way to enjoy it. Have fun go sit on the computer i will stick with my MPC.
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By Ill-Green Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:09 pm
I put a 5yr coverage plan on my 500, and that activates after Akai's warranty expires. So any failure during those 5 years, I can exchange it for a new 500 through Musician's Friend. So I'm not even sweatin' Akai's customer service.

I'm still rocking the 1.13 OS in it and I haven't ran into the glitches that I've been reading about in past threads. Although I do plan to upgrade but I want to fully explore what I have now.

I feel your pain, I felt the same way the first month with the 500. But I'm not gonna let this little device defeat me. You gotta whip these things into submission to bow down to you. And if softer pads you want, then check the custom made 500 thread. Inflict3 installed black 1000 pads to his 500. In fact, check all the threads if you have a certain trouble.
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By sonseelye Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:14 pm
i just got the 500 and i have a 2000xl also and i understand the problems with having to mash the pads also,,but all in all,,find something to compare to this tiny production center,thats even near it in ability..none!! im going to have to agree with everyone else,,,learn the machine,do some mods,(if need be),,,and dont look at the 500 like its a 5000..ul be happier!!
ByJamon Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:32 pm
There are no practical modifications that can fix this machine; it is fundamentally flawed. Possibly due to poor software, but Akai doesn't release stable firmware, and there is no SDK to allow us to hack it ourselves. It has nothing to do with not knowing the machine, or learning to accept its shortcomings. That's like buying an expensive luxury sports car, that breaks down randomly leaving you stranded on the highway, but is popular and makes the owners feel cool, so they find ways to keep driving it. The obvious answer is... despite all the hype, it is a lemon. But this entire scene of MPC users is filled with people caught up in some delusional fantasy world.

Wearing baggy pants, and tapping on an overpriced little box while you talk like you're local to Brooklyn despite living in Holland does not make you rich and powerful like the fake images on your Television lead you to believe. Intentionally misspelling words because Africans in America were denied access to education for a period of time does not make you "black", whatever that is. "Making beats" requires no more talent than banging on some pots and pans. It is a delusion bought into for the same reasons poor people play the Lottery. But it's not real. You will never win, and insisting on wasting money on losing tickets is irrational.

The MPC500 works for simple triggering of samples. It works for recording some .wavs and layering them into loops. It works for adding some effects and doing minor edits. It works for plugging in a MIDI device and semi-syncing/controlling. If you want to record your turntable, extract a few pieces out of it, and tap them out into patterns, it may work for you. You may hit bugs, and you may have to bang too hard on the pads, but it's doable. The point is though, if that's all you want to do, it does not justify the price or feature-set of the MPC. There should be a $100-$400 "beat maker" machine that is simple and aimed solely at this type of use.

The MPC is marketed as a "Music Production Center". Look at their website, "MPC500 - Portable Production Workstation". There is the XR20, which is aimed purely at making beats, "XR20 - Beat Production Station". That is half the price, and if it had basic sampling it'd be a better fit for most people out there. But the MPC, is supposed to be a generic workstation, the center brain of your setup. You should be able to do more than simple triggering of samples without it hitting bugs or choking. But that is not the case.

This morning I tried to isolate some bugs. One thing is, when adding a single note in step edit to the beginning of the first bar triggering an external MIDI device, then pressing 'play start', sometimes it would not be sent. Then going into track mode and overdubbing some notes, it would. But repeating over and over from a fresh boot to try and find the precise method to reproduce the bug didn't do any good because suddenly it was playing. So I moved on to another...

This one is easily reproducible, and I can upload some video if you want. The machine completely chokes when you give it too much MIDI data. If it is simple recording of notes, triggering a synth, it works fine and you can layer endless tracks. But moving sliders and recording that data on a few tracks causes the display counter to stop, then start again, and everything acts all sluggish like when a PC is overloaded. Press stop and maybe 10 seconds later it'll stop. Overdub some more slider data and it chokes completely, unable to stop, and is locked into a loop until you power off.

That is not a "Music Production Center". If it were 100 tracks full of constant slider changes, okay, maybe that's a bit excessive and it's asking too much for the little MPC500 to handle it. Maybe for that you need the 5000. But a couple tracks of slider changes in a tiny 2-bar loop? That is so extremely basic it should not freak out and choke like that. It is capable of so much more, which is known because sometimes it works. But sometimes it doesn't. How do you know when it will and won't? You don't, not until it's frozen and it's too late.

Would you drive a fast expensive car that looks good, has a trendy name, but randomly leaves you stranded? Akai is only getting away with charging high prices for such lousy workmanship because you put up with it. You're like a battered wife who keeps making excuses for her drunk husband, desperately clinging onto the delusional fairy-tale ending where he transforms into a prince and treats her right. It's not happening.

Akai is a con. It lucked out because long ago some people used it to start this huge hip-hop hype machine. It's like a Fender Stratocaster, with people so mystified by the name that they forget it's just a guitar. A tool, to use. If it can't be used in diverse ways without causing pain and irritation as it behaves strangely and breaks down then what good is it?

It might be that the only reason why Akai has any cred left at all is because of JJ. Like an affair on the side, making the failed marriage stay together despite being tragically broken. In watching the videos online of MPCs, many of them are just people tapping out simple patterns of sample-triggering. Probably 90% of the customers out there do this. They won't hit many bugs. Then the hardcore tweakers probably all use JJOS, and it is probably more stable and with better features than the stock firmware so they never have a major problem that Akai takes the blame for.

But the hardcore MPC500 owners are screwed because there is no alternative OS, and to try and make the pads more responsive you need to do messy hacks like taping cardboard or dabbing glue. That is unforgivable when the device costs $600. If you lucked out and got the machine for $150 at a yardsale, then messy hacks and putting up with limitations in software is acceptable. But when it costs a premium and is marketed as the "Music Production Center", it should be up to the task of being the solid, reliable, comfortable, "Music Production Center". That's what it is. That's what it should be. If it were $300 and called the "Beat Banger", without all those extra functions, then it's okay. But this is sold as being able to do things it tries to do, but fails at.

That is why it is a failure and people should be forewarned. All you people who didn't need an audio/MIDI workstation for complex arrangements, and just wanted an "MPC", not even knowing what it stood for, only caught up in the hip-hop hype, got screwed. For the functionality you need to make your beats you should have a simpler, more fun and intuitively designed device for half the price. The people buying it, expecting a powerful little portable workstation also got screwed, because although it is on paper, it is false advertising because the product was designed faulty, both hardware and software. No one seems to speak about this though because the fanbase is almost like a cult for the "Akai MPC" name, and the culture behind it seems to pride itself on being uneducated so the company behind Akai gets a free ride without actually delivering completely.
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By Ill-Green Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:29 pm
I was born and raised in Brooklyn so I reject that comment. I didn't buy the 500 expecting a darker skin tone and to speak ghetto slang. I bought it because IT IS the simple machine I was looking for and it didn't take a picture of Pete Rock to buy it. It took research. If I wanted something more equipt I would gotten a MV8800. Jim Crow's been banned since the 60's so I don't know what trips you've been taking, this is 2009.
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By ssnedden Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:46 pm
"Wearing baggy pants, and tapping on an overpriced little box while you talk like you're local to Brooklyn despite living in Holland does not make you rich and powerful like the fake images on your Television lead you to believe. Intentionally misspelling words because Africans in America were denied access to education for a period of time does not make you "black", whatever that is. "Making beats" requires no more talent than banging on some pots and pans. It is a delusion bought into for the same reasons poor people play the Lottery. But it's not real. You will never win, and insisting on wasting money on losing tickets is irrational."


Get that shit out of here. I know what I am. A musician raised by musicians who loves the art of flipping samples. I live in the most ghetto part of town and hangout in one of the nicer ones. I went to a mostly black public school that had some of the best scores in the state, including private schools, so I don't really think of "talking black" as talking dumb. so get that shit out of here.
I'm mainly Mexican but look and talk White so I call myself White. So how am I trying to look "less white".
And maybe since you're calling out some of our members from Holland, there is your answer to the "misspelled words" not because of anyone trying to promote a self-image.

And I've been playing guitar for 8 years now, and sound like I've been playing for 16 years. I can play any solo you can find me, any rhythm, and I can do super-advanced finger picking while drumming on the guitar with the same hand.
And I will say that the MPC is just as much of an instrument as a guitar.

You act like a brand new MPC 500 at $600 is unreasonable.
Sony Acid is $300. A decent electric guitar is $900, without an amp. A decent microphone is $600.

There are "shortcomings" and I did learn to overcome them but after using this machine for the amount of time I have put into it I love it.




And **** you for bringing race into a discussion about samplers and their shortcomings. Bravo.

You realize that the first MPCs were made for dance music, right? You are the one making assumptions.

**** you
and if you have the wordfilter on, that **** starts with an F and was directed at Jamon.
By cda Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:57 pm
I'm a regular lurker here, and I don't comment much. However, I want to post about some of the comments from "Jamon."

Jamon, you actually had me nodding in agreement with some of the things you said about the MPC500 and Akai. However, you totally turned me off with the following statement:

"Wearing baggy pants, and tapping on an overpriced little box while you talk like you're local to Brooklyn despite living in Holland does not make you rich and powerful like the fake images on your Television lead you to believe. Intentionally misspelling words because Africans in America were denied access to education for a period of time does not make you "black", whatever that is."

This says a lot about your attitude, and I really would expect more from the educated person you appear to be.

You really have let yourself down.
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By Menco Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:06 pm
The mpc is the perfect beat creating device for a lot of producers/artists/professionals/amateurs worldwide. And ur mad because it won't work for you. Maybe u hoped to be rich and famous as soon as u turned on that overpriced box, and now ur just mad because the 'instant hit button' didn't work.
And if we're all dumb and ignorant guys chasing tv dreams who bought an mpc, then why u bought one?
Maybe an mpc is overpiced (I think not), but the way u work that thing (or do u prefer thang?) gives the mpc it's real value.

And sorry if me English is bed, me I'm not herre 2 b intelgent y'all, I'ma just wanna talk muzic man.
By Emilie Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:06 pm
The software on this unit is very unstable! I wrote Akai when the version 1.31 of the software came out because i rather would have a stable OS than a uprgrade of functions. They answered me that no more updates would be necessary because the unit now was stable (not the ecsact words). This pissed me off!