Effect send to Track not individual pads

RAGTOPROY wrote:No, on a console you group several recording tracks to ONE single group track and apply FX to that "grouped" track....not each individual sound (pads) ;) You would NOT run a wire from say each of 12 vocal tracks to 12 of the same reverb units, just stupid lol (and costly). Audio Recording 101. channel=track. If you need something individual you use the direct outs and returns on that particular track to do so.

I'm definitely with you here.

-- peer

RAGTOPROY wrote:No, on a console you group several recording tracks to ONE single group track and apply FX to that "grouped" track....not each individual sound (pads) You would NOT run a wire from say each of 12 vocal tracks to 12 of the same reverb units, just stupid lol (and costly).

That's exactly what a group is.
It's a direct path that feeds to a centralized point.
If you had your 12 vocal tracks you would in fact be sending them from 12 different points to a centralized point.
That's what a send does.
So your analogy is incorrect.

RAGTOPROY wrote:No, on a console you group several recording tracks to ONE single group track and apply FX to that "grouped" track....not each individual sound (pads) You would NOT run a wire from say each of 12 vocal tracks to 12 of the same reverb units, just stupid lol (and costly). Audio Recording 101. channel=track. If you need something individual you use the direct outs and returns on that particular track to do so. So rather than putting an effect on say pad 3 (a hi hat) I would rather be able to leave my actual hi hat pad dry (no effect, just regular hat sound when I hit that pad) but be able to add the effect to a TRACK that I may want to have the hi hat on. Get it? That way I can have OTHER instances of the same hi hat going to different tracks with none or different levels of the effect. This is why you work many boards left to right like a book, record individual sounds on left, bounce to say 16 group tracks on right, bounce those 16 group tracks down to right even further to the stereo channel left and right.
Now you have your 2 track mix. Graduated from Webster University in audio production 2004

I TOTALLY agree with this. and when i chop a sample into 16 pads, i have to assign the fx 16 times now WTF lol what was akai thinking wtf this is extremely not practical and not logical

WHYYYYY?!?!?!

*i am very frustrated with this change in the 5k*

I agree with RAGTOPROY, Huibn, and Peer .....+1 on this one guys. A programmixer per sequence and NOT PER SONG just doesn't make sense to me. You can't even solo a single track throughout a whole song with one push of a button, which was doable in the 2000xl and the 4000.

If i want to solo a track throughout the whole song, so i can record it in my DAW, i have to mute all pads i dont want to hear per program (after finding out which pad it was again). This is a very cumbersome way of workin imo.

A program (or padmixer as i like to call it) just defies all the basic "unwritten" mixing rules like RAGTOPROY said. It's just unhandy for basic recording.. a program (pad) mixer without a solo button...wtf Akai?

The trackmixer worked fine for me the last 10 years.... now i have to convert the whole song to a sequence, find out which pads i dont wanna hear, mute these 63 pads (most of the time) in the trackmixer and voila...my first recording can be done.

And than this procedure has to be repeated 8 times....assuming i have 8 tracks to record..

owyeah....and where is the loopbutton in songmode?....lol

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who wants this lol. C'mon Akai! OS 2.1!!!!!!!!! A mixer in SONG mode couldn't be that hard to incorporate, would make me sooooooo pleased!!!! In the meantime I've been bouncing the song back to a long sequence. Then I can mute tracks but I still would love to be able to add FX to real "tracks" and not just the pads, sometimes I want that pad on other tracks without the FX. (my work around is to have multiple instances of that same sound on different pads, then I can do what I want to each one FX wise, nothing to die over just a lil more work lol. Peace to all! Wu-Tang 4eva!!!!

J26 you got me saying "Padmixer" too now lol Thats exactly what it is!

Sovereign wrote:

RAGTOPROY wrote:No, on a console you group several recording tracks to ONE single group track and apply FX to that "grouped" track....not each individual sound (pads) You would NOT run a wire from say each of 12 vocal tracks to 12 of the same reverb units, just stupid lol (and costly).

That's exactly what a group is.
It's a direct path that feeds to a centralized point.
If you had your 12 vocal tracks you would in fact be sending them from 12 different points to a centralized point.
That's what a send does.
So your analogy is incorrect.

Think of it in this scenerio: Say I had 2 mics setup in front of a vocalist. 1 mic going into track 1 on a console and the other going to track 2. I could patch reverb to track 2 on the console without affecting the clean dry signal going thru track 1 on the console and without recording the vocal twice feel me?

Think of the MPC sound (pads) as that vocal. We want to be able to have the actual pad dry but say add FX to track 2 and have everything (every pad) that is on track 2 receive the FX "on that particular track" while maybe using that same pad on another track without having that FX on it. If I have hi hat, bongo and toms on 1 track together I dont want to have to add an FX to the hi hat pad, the bongo pad and the tom pad. I'd rather just add FX to that particular track that they're all on and be done.