MPC 5000 update: All MPC 5000 OWNERS please read

moyphee wrote:

I gotta ask you, since you seem to know everything about Roger Linn and his capabilities...What 'levels' is he behind on? Please list them here.

I wouldn't say Linn is behind but the LinnDrum II would be obsolete upon release if it were released as described right now.


As far as any actions against Akai, there is one element that you haven't considered. They have your money already and have legal obligation to support the product beyond the warranty included or stipulated by law. Beyond that, Numark couldn't give a sh!t about a customers disappointment or anger.

Obsolete? How? Even in his early design ideas I see 4 USB ports for flash drives, a monitor connector, an Adat connector, ethernet, spdif and lots of I/Os. I'm not sure what you think his scratch design is missing. Could you tell me exactly what is obsolete at this point? What new technology has he missed?

http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products ... design.jpg

FESS, you seem really confused, I talked to Roger many times throughout the years.
You know some of us were around before the internet craze, when people actually communicated.

Linn used (modified) an existing Akai sampliing engine he did not create one as well as certain parts of the programming.

Akai had design aspects and resources in place that allowed him make his prototype a functional reality, unlike the problematic pre-Forat 9000's.


Maybe Akai made the mistake of letting Linn take an unjust amount credit because it was really good marketing for a Japanese company to have him associated to their product.


Also why would I need to watch Moog, the documentary, I knew who designed my synth when I purchased those many years ago.


You still will not make any headway with Akai by starting a pissing contest.

Fess wrote:
Once LinnDrum II gets released, and unless Numark actually update the OS, my 5000 will be going on Craigslist. I need instruments that work.

Why not do it now since it such a POS?

Sovereign wrote:

You still will not make any headway with Akai by starting a pissing contest.

LOL seconded. As much as I want a proper OS update, this way of "requesting" will not work out.

But well concentrated powers in a certian key direction could move something, totally right,
maybe with serials under special examination...

Jauly wrote:

Sovereign wrote:

You still will not make any headway with Akai by starting a pissing contest.

LOL seconded. As much as I want a proper OS update, this way of "requesting" will not work out.

But well concentrated powers in a certian key direction could move something, totally right,
maybe with serials under special examination...

I kinda feel the Just Blaze rant had that effect.
I spread across the internet like a wild fire even though it contained a certain amount of inacurracy.

The bad part about it is that he never came back after OS2 to acknowledge that Akai responded to his complaints or to re-evaluate the machine.
Not that he had to but it weakened the Akai ear for the rest of us.
They listened and the squeeky wheel didn't seem to care so they are probably less inclined to listen.

The real scary part about the whole thing is Akai may have already decided that they don't have enough spacing to accomodate 4 MPC's especially since their MPD and MPK lines are doing so well.
If that is the case the 5k would be the one to go, since they could easily enhance the 2500 with the 5k features that are similar to the JJ xl OS and give it a very sellable price point.

Not that I think the 2500 (even with JJ) is better than the 5k, but you have to remember Flagship simply means the biggest or most expensive you make.
The 2500 was the Flagship prior to the 5k and could easily do it again, it took the job from the 4k so the new SE could do it to the 5k.

Sovereign wrote:

Jauly wrote:

Sovereign wrote:

You still will not make any headway with Akai by starting a pissing contest.

LOL seconded. As much as I want a proper OS update, this way of "requesting" will not work out.

But well concentrated powers in a certian key direction could move something, totally right,
maybe with serials under special examination...

I kinda feel the Just Blaze rant had that effect.
I spread across the internet like a wild fire even though it contained a certain amount of inacurracy.

The bad part about it is that he never came back after OS2 to acknowledge that Akai responded to his complaints or to re-evaluate the machine.
Not that he had to but it weakened the Akai ear for the rest of us.
They listened and the squeeky wheel didn't seem to care so they are probably less inclined to listen.

The real scary part about the whole thing is Akai may have already decided that they don't have enough spacing to accomodate 4 MPC's especially since their MPD and MPK lines are doing so well.
If that is the case the 5k would be the one to go, since they could easily enhance the 2500 with the 5k features that are similar to the JJ xl OS and give it a very sellable price point.

Not that I think the 2500 (even with JJ) is better than the 5k, but you have to remember Flagship simply means the biggest or most expensive you make.
The 2500 was the Flagship prior to the 5k and could easily do it again, it took the job from the 4k so the new SE could do it to the 5k.

Sovereign, sorry for my last post to you...I didn't mean to offend anybody. I just get fired up. I'm sure we all have different agendas and reasons why we need functional tools. In my case, I'm working on a very important album so when freeze ups occur at random moments all hell breaks loose. There have been times when I've lost my sketch idea on the MPC and never got it back. Sometimes a filter tweak mixed with a delay will bring out a harmonic tone on a record sample that couldn't be heard before, and sometimes that tone is what takes a track to the next level and gives it that special 'something'. Obviously, I mix in the box, but the sketching is usually done on the MPC. The 5000 OS just seems sluggish and I'm sometimes scared to turn it on for fear of it not turning on at all. I don't have that problem with the 4000. The OS is quick to respond and it's no secret that the overall build quality of the 4000 is excellent-definitely better than the 5000. That being said, I don't want to use my 4000 unless it's absolutely necessary. It's one of the last 250 or so sold in 2007, before they were discontinued. I bought it brand new and I aim to keep it looking and functioning that way. But if the 5000 croaks, I won't have a choice...Anyway, I firmly believe Roger Linn will bring it with the LinnDrum II. I'm allowed to have that opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Well, if anyone from Akai is reading these forums then they know some of us are getting impatient regarding the improvement of the OS for the 5000...The bug report is extensive. I'd be happy with a more stable OS and fixing the MIDI timing issues. An update to 3.0 is quite a jump and would probably cost us. I guess if they delivered the goodies we'd pay. Time will tell. Either way, the Linn Drum II is mine when it gets released-and it will get released.

if akai releases 3.0, their will still be complaints and unsatisfied customers.
the infamous rant and all of it's cosigners... especially the people who don't
even own the 5000 IMO are the ones who ran AKAI away from this site with all
of the bitching... when the 5000 was released akai visited and responded.. in return all
they got was hostility and bitching....

hey FESS,DO WHAT YOU WANT.BUT I WOULD BE USING THE 4000 BRO.*I AM.*(I ALSO HAVE A 5K)COME ON MAN,LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE PLANNING YOUR RETIREMENT YEARS WITH AN IMMACULATE 4K.IT JUST MAKES SENSE.MOVE ON FROM THE 5K IF ITS FREEZING ECT ON YOU.MY 2 PENCE.CHEERS

mjames4208 wrote:if akai releases 3.0, their will still be complaints and unsatisfied customers.
the infamous rant and all of it's cosigners... especially the people who don't
even own the 5000 IMO are the ones who ran AKAI away from this site with all
of the bitching... when the 5000 was released akai visited and responded.. in return all
they got was hostility and bitching....

I have to "co-sign" this one.

Askia Shaheed wrote:

mjames4208 wrote:if akai releases 3.0, their will still be complaints and unsatisfied customers.
the infamous rant and all of it's cosigners... especially the people who don't
even own the 5000 IMO are the ones who ran AKAI away from this site with all
of the bitching... when the 5000 was released akai visited and responded.. in return all
they got was hostility and bitching....

I have to "co-sign" this one.

I co-sign the co-signing.

I do want to add I appreciate efforts like the petition website formed by users to show Akai the community support for a third party or open source OS (http://akaios.com/). Opening the OS and letting users find a solution could be a big PR move for Akai and hopefully they act on what would be arguably a marketing tool. Finding out who is user actually an owner might be an important part of Akai's calculation about where to invest their money into a new OS or cleaning up the code for Open Source. Maybe there is a way to get users to register a comment using an actual serial number from their MPC? Still I'm skeptical that Akai is listening to us.

To expect Akai to invest heavily in another OS release is to ignore the challenges of the current climate of the technology industry that focuses on sales volume rather than product quality.

The threat of loosing business is not out-weighed by the potential of broadening the brand customer base. While it might be a breach of trust or ethically problematic for companies to drop/water-down support, it is not entirely out of step with the industry norms where profit is the bottom line in the eyes of share holders and executives. The technology industry is designed to create disposable products - planned obsolescence is key to ensure consumption levels are sustained and that the market is constantly in need new product. Akai, like other manufactures such as Roland and Yamaha, want users to buy. The latest product announcement is just the next sales opportunity. While this approach might be enough to capture new users, it doesn't help those of us who have already bought into the hype of a "beta" product. But users also add to the problem. As consumers we seldom offer praise to the accomplishments of a company that sets an example by slowing down the pace of development and refining its current product line (Ableton's latest announcement that they are adding no new features is an example I hope other software and hardware manufactures follow. Native Instruments has long had open betas and update announcements months in advance of their releases). Even if those updates take time to follow through, we should be patient enough to wait for and support the companies that earn trust.

Singling out Akai ignores the wider problem at work. The industry itself needs to change. Consumers and companies need to look towards more sustainable options. This makes sense in terms of resource management but also in terms of what should have been the the primary focus to begin with.. the quality of the products produced. Currently right now, alternative business models can only been found in the high profile boutique manufactures like Access or Elektron who retain the same hardware for years and offer OS updates to their user base. Musicians use these products for years and from the buzz these OS updates create it draws in new users and rewards good business practices. We should be doing the same. While Akai's release of the MPC 5000 was premature, we should have been applauding their efforts with the release of 2.0 flawed as it may have been. The problem stems further than what we can solve here. The technology industry as a system of production has failed and we as consumers helped contribute to it. The industry and consumers alike need to set realistic expectations instead of the maddened frenzy of trade-show pissing contests (i.e. NAMM). There is no need for all the sizzle when there's no steak.

1-0ne

mjames4208 wrote:if akai releases 3.0, their will still be complaints and unsatisfied customers.
the infamous rant and all of it's cosigners... especially the people who don't
even own the 5000 IMO are the ones who ran AKAI away from this site with all
of the bitching... when the 5000 was released akai visited and responded.. in return all
they got was hostility and bitching....

well, it is not only a matter of general bad-hearted bitching. bitching & dissapointments went hand in hand with the 4000 and it's first OS versions. but then the OS got more and more stable thanks to updates and since then people seem to respect the 4000. 2.0 on the 4000 was not the final thing, and it would have pissed many off in this state.

My question is can a os update improve sufficiantly this hard ware reality of this machine.i think so.but am not convinced.imean there seems to be such a variable to the 5k.some crash,some dont.some pads stop working,ect,ect.its still got some way to go to become a classic ie 4k....ill co sign the positive affirmations..

why all the hate???

love it or leave it...and please moderators..enough is enough..man...


1 tip...if you already purchased 5000.....use it, be creative, try to make money out of it or whatever...
while in the meantime...
couple of engineers..
I don't know if its from NUMARK, AKAI OR ALESIS OR ROLAND I don't really care...build up a new one...

you, the customers, already saved(for all spoiled brats, whom asks their mom or dad to purchase one, so I can "conversate" on the forum) up some bucks to purchase this new baby...

come on man.. smoke a joint or visit me here in Amsterdam, and use that damn thing which approved your agenda!!!

BackstagePimp

p.s.: does the CIA check your IP address for starting a economic riots??? hahaha joke man.. smoke too much..

Actually if you have a 4k or had one and went through all the OS revisions you understand just how many bugs were fixed and how many features were changed or added.
The 2 big fixes on the 5k are a lot but the 4k required a lot more it just was spread out over more updates.

All the issues in the 4k never got resolved but we learned to appreciate the good points after they did achieved a certain level of stability.

With the inconsistency in the 5k's some have issues and some don't it just looks like some where along the line a weak component may have been used.
Could have been a batch of hard drives, a cable, a marginal power supply etc.
Maybe a good start for housekeeping would be to start a listing of serial numbers of the crashing units to look for some common ground.
It would seem that a software related flaw would just have a higher precentage of consistent failure since it would be the same BIN file being downloaded.


Just reminds me of the Digi002/002r power harness problem, it was intermittent and could cause many different types of problems.

Does anyone know how to reverse engineer the OS code?