MPC5000 vs Maschine

Coz wrote:

emptysea wrote:Open labs stuff is just a computer and midi controllers if you were to put it all in one case. It has nothing to do with Maschine which has a dedicated hardware controller that works just like hardware except the software brain lives on the computer.

So basically there's **** all difference really!

Map all those midi controls to your software and you're left with something that's in the same ballpark.

Even with the hassle of mapping "all those midi controls" you won't even be anywhere near the ballpark. You can't midi map your way to the dedicated hardware controls you find on hardware or hybrids like Maschine.

Maybe not, but the Maschine hardware is essentially a glorified midi controller, which is the point I was making.

The point I'm making is that using some software with a pad controller like MPD/padkontrol is not even close to the experience of using maschine.

Maschine is wank.

Sounds Wank

Feels wank

If the Belson prisoners where Drum machines that been clones of the Maschine whilst MPC's would be fat obese curry munchin turban wearing mexicans.

The GUI is gay

emptysea wrote:The point I'm making is that using some software with a pad controller like MPD/padkontrol is not even close to the experience of using maschine.

Turn the pc off and they both die...

The usp of Maschine is not the hardware, but the software which is tailor made for it. This is either a good/bad thing depending on how you like to work.

I'll pass for now... but if I had a decent laptop I would maybe give it some consideration.

emptysea wrote:Exactly. It's all about personal preference.

Just pointing out that Neko has nothing to do with Maschine. Open labs stuff is just a computer and midi controllers if you were to put it all in one case. It has nothing to do with Maschine which has a dedicated hardware controller that works just like hardware except the software brain lives on the computer.

Where did you come from anyway. You just crawl from under a rock. You repeated what I stated and said nothing.

Stop beating around the bush. Sounds like the same shyt. A computer and a controller. I hope NI paying you well. You sound like a salesman.

What is an empty sea? Land! Stop putting icing on shyt trying to make it look like a cake. Its still a pile of shyt.

word... that saleman shit doesn't fool anyone and it gets boaring to hear... and worst part is I aint against the maschine cause I think the idea is cool.

The 'so called' salesmen you always refer to, seem to be persons who have an MPC AND Maschine side by side and can judge both from there based upon experience with both.
As where you guys who 'hold the truth', only have an MPC and seem to have the need to break Maschine down based upon some youtube movies you saw or things you 'think' you know about it without actually having tried to work with it for a few hours.
Even boiling down to personal taste anyway, I don't understand how you can have an opinion on something when you never worked with it.
I don't want to put Maschine above MPC or the other way around, but what annoys me is that most of the Maschine haters have their hate based not on own experience but on what they 'think' to know about it.
I read too many things from those people which are completely incorrect , I really don't know why there are so many misunderstandings...what's so hard about going to a shop, trying a Maschine for a couple of hours and base your opinion on that instead of trying to break down people who use(d) both and trying to make them look like a fool by calling them 'salesmen' ?
Apart from buying quite some Native Instruments stuff, I have no relation with them whatsoever.

For me the debate goes less about Maschine vs MPC, but more about : if two pieces of gear are to be compared, should the comparison not be done by people who own both, or can someone who never owned(used) one of the units give an opinion based upon what he reads on some other forum ?

For myself , if I need this kind of information, I want it from people who work(ed) with both units and can compare from that experience.

Maschine = Testicular atrophy

MPC 2500 = Ephedrine injection to subdue a painfull erection.

Go and figure doh ditter

seiko wrote:The 'so called' salesmen you always refer to, seem to be persons who have an MPC AND Maschine side by side and can judge both from there based upon experience with both.
As where you guys who 'hold the truth', only have an MPC and seem to have the need to break Maschine down based upon some youtube movies you saw or things you 'think' you know about it without actually having tried to work with it for a few hours.
Even boiling down to personal taste anyway, I don't understand how you can have an opinion on something when you never worked with it.
I don't want to put Maschine above MPC or the other way around, but what annoys me is that most of the Maschine haters have their hate based not on own experience but on what they 'think' to know about it.
I read too many things from those people which are completely incorrect , I really don't know why there are so many misunderstandings...what's so hard about going to a shop, trying a Maschine for a couple of hours and base your opinion on that instead of trying to break down people who use(d) both and trying to make them look like a fool by calling them 'salesmen' ?
Apart from buying quite some Native Instruments stuff, I have no relation with them whatsoever.

For me the debate goes less about Maschine vs MPC, but more about : if two pieces of gear are to be compared, should the comparison not be done by people who own both, or can someone who never owned(used) one of the units give an opinion based upon what he reads on some other forum ?

For myself , if I need this kind of information, I want it from people who work(ed) with both units and can compare from that experience.

Well this thread is called MPC5000 vs Maschine. And it is on the mpc-forum. I have compared both and just didn't like it. If I got the Maschine for free I would sell it on give it away. I've tried and own a lot of gear. I can make a track on both, but I prefer the MPC. The MPC surpasses the Maschine. Does that sound better?

i've decided i'm going to settle this once and for all.

ni maschine? - lost.
mpc 5000? - satisfies me sexually, but still loses.

who then is the winner?!?

.... elektron machinedrum sps-1 uw mkII+ ofcourse, .... effortlessly, ... and i don't even own one. ... sure wish i did.

about $1740.

still love my mpc5k tho'. .... what if i had both?

oneday2one wrote:i've decided i'm going to settle this once and for all.

ni maschine? - lost.
mpc 5000? - satisfies me sexually, but still loses.

who then is the winner?!?

.... elektron machinedrum sps-1 uw mkII+ ofcourse, .... effortlessly, ... and i don't even own one. ... sure wish i did.

about $1740.

still love my mpc5k tho'. .... what if i had both?

Elektron machinedrum??? Now we're talking!!!

I used to have the sidstation and hartmann neuron. How I miss them so..

seiko wrote:The 'so called' salesmen you always refer to, seem to be persons who have an MPC AND Maschine side by side and can judge both from there based upon experience with both.
As where you guys who 'hold the truth', only have an MPC and seem to have the need to break Maschine down based upon some youtube movies you saw or things you 'think' you know about it without actually having tried to work with it for a few hours.
Even boiling down to personal taste anyway, I don't understand how you can have an opinion on something when you never worked with it.
I don't want to put Maschine above MPC or the other way around, but what annoys me is that most of the Maschine haters have their hate based not on own experience but on what they 'think' to know about it.
I read too many things from those people which are completely incorrect , I really don't know why there are so many misunderstandings...what's so hard about going to a shop, trying a Maschine for a couple of hours and base your opinion on that instead of trying to break down people who use(d) both and trying to make them look like a fool by calling them 'salesmen' ?
Apart from buying quite some Native Instruments stuff, I have no relation with them whatsoever.

For me the debate goes less about Maschine vs MPC, but more about : if two pieces of gear are to be compared, should the comparison not be done by people who own both, or can someone who never owned(used) one of the units give an opinion based upon what he reads on some other forum ?

For myself , if I need this kind of information, I want it from people who work(ed) with both units and can compare from that experience.

first of all the saleman shit I was talking about is refering to emptysea who works for native instruments.

second of all, dont even pull the hater card... not everybody is a hater just cause they aren't on NI's nuts.


now, you tell me....

-do I need to own maschine to KNOW that it is a USB controller that requires a computer to work? I think not...

-do I need to own a maschine to know it requires at least 2 or 3 other pieces of hardware besides the controller to do anything? I think not.

-is mentioning those points considered hating? abso-fukking-lutely not... they are fact and that comes from somebody who actually wants to someday own a maschine and likes the concept...

I don't understand how you can have an opinion on something when you never worked with it.

so basically with that logic I shouldn't even have my opinion of thinking maschine is cool and a neat concept since I never made anything on it yet? come on, we can have opinions on many things without experiencing it beforehand.



by the way you aren't the one I was calling a salesman...

I own both and I work with Maschine pretty much exclusively now. So much so that the MPC5000 is up for sale. Not that it's a bad piece of gear, it's great but I'm so much more productive on Maschine.

Here's a quick rundown of the pros and cons of the 2:

MPC 5000 Pros:

1. Sound. Definitely sounds punchier than Maschine or any drum software. I don't care why it just does.
2. Timing the timing is way better than any DAW or Maschine. Also no latency issues
3. Sequencer. More fine control of the sequencer from the unit. With maschine you need to use a mouse and keyboard / monitor for this level of control.
4. One box solution: It's even got a synth, no computer required.

Maschine Pros:

1. Workflow: I can get around Maschine so much faster, editing envelopes, applying filters and effects etc is much much quicker. Everything can be done on the fly. Also you can find stuff much more quickly with the database. The MPC's interface is positively archaic in comparison.

2. Automation: Much easier on Maschine

3. Effects: The effects are far superior - the new Grain Stretcher is excellent.

4. Integration with DAW. Obviously wins this hands down - drag and drop audio or MIDI.

5. Support for 24 Bit samples.

So it seems like Maschine has won me (and clearly alot of other people) over from the MPC world. I wonder is Maschine sounding the death knell for the MPC?

Quite possibly.

However i would go back if the next MPC had the following features:

1. DAW integration like Access Virus TI: I would kill to be able to open up the MPC as a plugin and route audio to and from the DAW and have VST style automation and total recall etc. Also midi drag and drop would be fantastic to.
Access have done this and it has put them at the top of their market segment
2. Completely redesigned interface (look how fast Machinedrum and Maschine are to get around and learn).
3. Realtime Step sequencer or an XOX style sequencer.
4. Better effects.
5. Elastic audio (ie automatic BPM detection and time stretching).
6. Better screen. A colour screen would be fantastic.

I'd say unless Akai decide to radically re-architect the MPC line it's dead in the water, unfortunately.

^^ Your MPC wish list is what most of us would really like, and if Akai wants to continue the line, full integration with software should be a big priority.