Should Akai charge a fee for future OS updates?

moyphee wrote:
Again, JJ and others have no obligation to Akai users - Numark/Akai does!

Good that you think about the issue of software updates for the mpc 5000. But what do you want to achieve finally?

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition. You can't change the course of the world according to what would be fair to you. For example, it annoys me that Microsoft always pushes out a new OS some years because their calendar says it, regardless it opens amazing new dimensions or not .

JJ has for every single OS he does enough developement budget because he makes money with it. And people pay and feel mostly good about it, because they can decide. I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

I don't want to stir completed things up, but see xxxxxx how they abandoned their users (including me) with the mv 8800 release instead of making an hardware (or software) upgrade for the 8000. This was not funny at all, but every company acts for economical reasons. You can't say what a firm has to do to do because you want them to do so.

Guys, after all, this thread is not about xxx vs. xxx, it's about how developement could be better maintained for longer times (this is the point I get), as the MPC 5000 has fantastic potential and it would be a tragedy if numakai release an mpc 5500 with an advanced OS and discontinue further enhancements of the 5000 (out of minor bugfixes). I'm not affiliated to akai, nor do I like wasting my money into others' trouser pockets. I just face reality as an user of very nice gear with the possibility of it's software beeing upgradeable in a very flexible way .

Jauly wrote:

moyphee wrote:
Again, JJ and others have no obligation to Akai users - Numark/Akai does!

Good that you think about the issue of software updates for the mpc 5000. But what do you want to achieve finally?

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition. You can't change the course of the world according to what would be fair to you. For example, it annoys me that Microsoft always pushes out a new OS some years because their calendar says it, regardless it opens amazing new dimensions or not .

JJ has for every single OS he does enough developement budget because he makes money with it. And people pay and feel mostly good about it, because they can decide. I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

I don't want to stir completed things up, but see xxxxxx how they abandoned their users (including me) with the mv 8800 release instead of making an hardware (or software) upgrade for the 8000. This was not funny at all, but every company acts for economical reasons. You can't say what a firm has to do to do because you want them to do so.

Guys, after all, this thread is not about xxx vs. xxx, it's about how developement could be better maintained for longer times (this is the point I get), as the MPC 5000 has fantastic potential and it would be a tragedy if numakai release an mpc 5500 with an advanced OS and discontinue further enhancements of the 5000 (out of minor bugfixes). I'm not affiliated to akai, nor do I like wasting my money into others' trouser pockets. I just face reality as an user of very nice gear with the possibility of it's software beeing upgradeable in a very flexible way .

Good post Jauly. I couldn't have put it any better than that.

Jauly wrote:

moyphee wrote:
Again, JJ and others have no obligation to Akai users - Numark/Akai does!

Good that you think about the issue of software updates for the mpc 5000. But what do you want to achieve finally?

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition. You can't change the course of the world according to what would be fair to you. For example, it annoys me that Microsoft always pushes out a new OS some years because their calendar says it, regardless it opens amazing new dimensions or not .

JJ has for every single OS he does enough developement budget because he makes money with it. And people pay and feel mostly good about it, because they can decide. I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

I don't want to stir completed things up, but see xxxxxx how they abandoned their users (including me) with the mv 8800 release instead of making an hardware (or software) upgrade for the 8000. This was not funny at all, but every company acts for economical reasons. You can't say what a firm has to do to do because you want them to do so.

Guys, after all, this thread is not about xxx vs. xxx, it's about how developement could be better maintained for longer times (this is the point I get), as the MPC 5000 has fantastic potential and it would be a tragedy if numakai release an mpc 5500 with an advanced OS and discontinue further enhancements of the 5000 (out of minor bugfixes). I'm not affiliated to akai, nor do I like wasting my money into others' trouser pockets. I just face reality as an user of very nice gear with the possibility of it's software beeing upgradeable in a very flexible way .

yes that's very true what you said.But keep it in mind that we the ones paying their salaries and if they don't satisfy their users they will go under,and if that happens again to akai no one will bail them out this time around.And longest MV goes i remember that they have better machine feature-wise but not a sequencer so they could pull some sht like that because they did not false advertise like aki did with mpc 5k but thats how numark works they spent more money on advertisement .And if you make big time producers mad like they did just blaze those are the people that can say stuff to bring their sales down.I owned 5k and am telling the truth when i say that 5k has not have features they said it does.I still like power of 5k hardware sequencer is tighter then in previous models but that doesn't allow you to bs general public or fun base (call it how you will)because they been in business over 20 years.Unless i lost my hearing i thought i heard dude from akai said on the video that 5k has all the features that 4k has which is untrue and if i owned the company i would fire him.I just don't know why people defending akai/roland when they pull bs like that.What yall should do is get under their skin till they realize that they were wrong. It's like nigg rob you on the street and then you buy him a beer in the club. IT MAKE NO SENSE

ToOxSicK wrote:It's like nigg rob you on the street and then you buy him a bear in the club. IT MAKE NO SENSE

NO IT DOESNT !!! HAHAHAHAHA !!!

I hope you're nigerian or some ish. using the word "nigg" and all.

I think Numark actually should release a 5000XL soon for those who don't want all the gimmick HD and sub-par synth features. It would have 16 adat outs, 24bit, multi-sampling keygroups, higher quality FX with dedicated reverb and chorus sends and 16 stereo inserts that can be stacked 2 per program. It should come stock with the old style 4k black pads instead of the newer stiff ones and get rid of that cheezy data wheel while adding 6-8 more dedicated buttons like T.C. Make the OS solid and bug free and then we can discuss paying for new features on THAT MPC since that is what they should have released in the first place. Then we can have a proper funeral for the not quite good enough 5k.

ToOxSicK wrote:

Jauly wrote:

moyphee wrote:
Again, JJ and others have no obligation to Akai users - Numark/Akai does!

Good that you think about the issue of software updates for the mpc 5000. But what do you want to achieve finally?

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition. You can't change the course of the world according to what would be fair to you. For example, it annoys me that Microsoft always pushes out a new OS some years because their calendar says it, regardless it opens amazing new dimensions or not .

JJ has for every single OS he does enough developement budget because he makes money with it. And people pay and feel mostly good about it, because they can decide. I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

I don't want to stir completed things up, but see xxxxxx how they abandoned their users (including me) with the mv 8800 release instead of making an hardware (or software) upgrade for the 8000. This was not funny at all, but every company acts for economical reasons. You can't say what a firm has to do to do because you want them to do so.

Guys, after all, this thread is not about xxx vs. xxx, it's about how developement could be better maintained for longer times (this is the point I get), as the MPC 5000 has fantastic potential and it would be a tragedy if numakai release an mpc 5500 with an advanced OS and discontinue further enhancements of the 5000 (out of minor bugfixes). I'm not affiliated to akai, nor do I like wasting my money into others' trouser pockets. I just face reality as an user of very nice gear with the possibility of it's software beeing upgradeable in a very flexible way .

yes that's very true what you said.But keep it in mind that we the ones paying their salaries and if they don't satisfy their users they will go under,and if that happens again to akai no one will bail them out this time around.And longest MV goes i remember that they have better machine feature-wise but not a sequencer so they could pull some sht like that because they did not false advertise like aki did with mpc 5k but thats how numark works they spent more money on advertisement .And if you make big time producers mad like they did just blaze those are the people that can say stuff to bring their sales down.I owned 5k and am telling the truth when i say that 5k has not have features they said it does.I still like power of 5k hardware sequencer is tighter then in previous models but that doesn't allow you to bs general public or fun base (call it how you will)because they been in business over 20 years.Unless i lost my hearing i thought i heard dude from akai said on the video that 5k has all the features that 4k has which is untrue and if i owned the company i would fire him.I just don't know why people defending akai/roland when they pull bs like that.What yall should do is get under their skin till they realize that they were wrong. It's like nigg rob you on the street and then you buy him a bear in the club. IT MAKE NO SENSE

Well said aswell.

It doesn't matter how much the machine can do. What is important is that they dont lie in our faces to encourage us to give them a few grand. Who gives a shit what company it is, it isn't akai VS roland... it is US versus THEM. We pay them money expecting that we get what we were sold. It's like going out and buying a porshe and looking under the hood to find a suzuki swift engine inside.

LvngDead wrote:

ToOxSicK wrote:It's like nigg rob you on the street and then you buy him a bear in the club.

You meant BEER not BEAR.

diegoeskryptic wrote:

LvngDead wrote:

ToOxSicK wrote:It's like nigg rob you on the street and then you buy him a bear in the club.

You meant BEER not BEAR.

yes i meant beer..ahahha.lol

mr_debauch wrote:
It doesn't matter how much the machine can do. What is important is that they dont lie in our faces to encourage us to give them a few grand. Who gives a **** what company it is, it isn't akai VS roland... it is US versus THEM. We pay them money expecting that we get what we were sold. It's like going out and buying a porshe and looking under the hood to find a suzuki swift engine inside.

I am sorry. But it is YOU versus THEM. I am satisfied with the MPC 5000. There are some things I would like to see improved in the OS, as I have identified in the feature request threads. But there is nothing I have encountered using the MPC 5000 that would make me call Akai liars. If you purchased the MPC 5000 and it didn't give you the features as promised, return it for a refund and use something else.

This thread is about future OS updates which adds significant improvements. This is not a gripe thread. We have plenty of those already.

I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

hear hear.

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition.

Numark is a profitable company that has settled into a "do the bare minimum" approach to things. They have the financial resources to add features and optimize the OS but it's simply not a high priority. If financial constraints limit it's development than they release the code to third arty for development or make it(or portions of it) Open Source.

IMO- Every manufacturing company has an obligation to support their products during their active life cycle. If not as a matter product support, it should be done to curb buyer's remorse.

Akai has no obligation to put a Fusion inside the MPC 5000. Just like Roland has no obligation to put the Fantom G inside the MV or vice versa. So let's have an adult/mature conversation. If you (Moyphee) believe these companies have an obligation to combine these products as you implied, there is no point on talking about this.

I didn't say anything about including a Fusion , MV, Fantom or any other gear. Please stay on topic and stop distorting my responses.

I am an MPC user. He isn't. But he follows me around in every thread about MPCs

1st, your not a user you're more of a marketer. 2nd, nobody here follows you but it can seem that way being that you chime on any every thread even when you have nothing to constructive to add outside of pushing the 5000.

back on topic-

If a premium OS is released it will be shared or cracked immediately because users will feel they are entitled to it. Point blank. Korg, Yamaha , Roland , Kurzweil, and others ... the standard has been set. A paid OS of any sort from the original maker won't fly. Marketing it under fake name will only create backlash from customers.

Jauly wrote:

moyphee wrote:
Again, JJ and others have no obligation to Akai users - Numark/Akai does!

Good that you think about the issue of software updates for the mpc 5000. But what do you want to achieve finally?

No company in this world has obligations to their clients over the amount of what lies in their developement budget/potential, except for there exists a special contract where it is listed how many updates are included in your acquisition. You can't change the course of the world according to what would be fair to you. For example, it annoys me that Microsoft always pushes out a new OS some years because their calendar says it, regardless it opens amazing new dimensions or not .

JJ has for every single OS he does enough developement budget because he makes money with it. And people pay and feel mostly good about it, because they can decide. I don't care whom I pay. I pay for good work.

I don't want to stir completed things up, but see xxxxxx how they abandoned their users (including me) with the mv 8800 release instead of making an hardware (or software) upgrade for the 8000. This was not funny at all, but every company acts for economical reasons. You can't say what a firm has to do to do because you want them to do so.

Guys, after all, this thread is not about xxx vs. xxx, it's about how developement could be better maintained for longer times (this is the point I get), as the MPC 5000 has fantastic potential and it would be a tragedy if numakai release an mpc 5500 with an advanced OS and discontinue further enhancements of the 5000 (out of minor bugfixes). I'm not affiliated to akai, nor do I like wasting my money into others' trouser pockets. I just face reality as an user of very nice gear with the possibility of it's software beeing upgradeable in a very flexible way .

Pretty much the basics of what I was saying from the jump.... about economics, and competition...

Askia Shaheed wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:
It doesn't matter how much the machine can do. What is important is that they dont lie in our faces to encourage us to give them a few grand. Who gives a **** what company it is, it isn't akai VS roland... it is US versus THEM. We pay them money expecting that we get what we were sold. It's like going out and buying a porshe and looking under the hood to find a suzuki swift engine inside.

I am sorry. But it is YOU versus THEM. I am satisfied with the MPC 5000. There are some things I would like to see improved in the OS, as I have identified in the feature request threads. But there is nothing I have encountered using the MPC 5000 that would make me call Akai liars. If you purchased the MPC 5000 and it didn't give you the features as promised, return it for a refund and use something else.

This thread is about future OS updates which adds significant improvements. This is not a gripe thread. We have plenty of those already.

How come you assume my post was about the bugs the 5k has? I was speaking about something earlier mentioned by toxsick. God forbid someone says anything around you because without even seeing who I quoted, you get all defensive about your beloved 5k... I know it is tough not looking like a fool blowing a few grand askia... but nobody thinks you are cool because you have a 5k, and nobody thinks te 5k is the best..... so stop trying to make it seem like the best. Every damn thread you post in, somebody either suggests you work for nukai or they call you nukai... Listen, the 5k is a great machine. You happy? OK akai needs to make more money, and we all should pay them for more stuff. And it isn't only ME vs THEM when we get nailed buy false advertisement because it isn't only me buying the product.

mr_debauch wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:
It doesn't matter how much the machine can do. What is important is that they dont lie in our faces to encourage us to give them a few grand. Who gives a **** what company it is, it isn't akai VS roland... it is US versus THEM. We pay them money expecting that we get what we were sold. It's like going out and buying a porshe and looking under the hood to find a suzuki swift engine inside.

I am sorry. But it is YOU versus THEM. I am satisfied with the MPC 5000. There are some things I would like to see improved in the OS, as I have identified in the feature request threads. But there is nothing I have encountered using the MPC 5000 that would make me call Akai liars. If you purchased the MPC 5000 and it didn't give you the features as promised, return it for a refund and use something else.

This thread is about future OS updates which adds significant improvements. This is not a gripe thread. We have plenty of those already.

How come you assume my post was about the bugs the 5k has? I was speaking about something earlier mentioned by toxsick. God forbid someone says anything around you because without even seeing who I quoted, you get all defensive about your beloved 5k... I know it is tough not looking like a fool blowing a few grand askia... but nobody thinks you are cool because you have a 5k, and nobody thinks te 5k is the best..... so stop trying to make it seem like the best. Every damn thread you post in, somebody either suggests you work for nukai or they call you nukai... Listen, the 5k is a great machine. You happy? OK akai needs to make more money, and we all should pay them for more stuff. And it isn't only ME vs THEM when we get nailed buy false advertisement because it isn't only me buying the product.

I agree with you on this!First of all, to ask a company to charge you for an update with features that they promised you will have on first place is stupid.It would be different circumstances if they delivered as they promised.So now i love my 5k maybe better then a 4k maybe not so much os but hardware-wise yes.And i'm not going to promote them and tell people they should pay for os when i don't feel it's right in any way.

I don't care about money but at same time i don't have money to throw away.
And by the way any software is crackable so if they pull some sht like that best believe that am getting mine from torrent.

i will also put $500 that update with new features will be free for 5k.